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inside outer limits is a regular feature

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hello everybody once again and it's a

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very very nice hair welcome to my

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co-host ear Phillip mantle who's been on

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well as we mentioned on the last show

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and it's very good to have you back here

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again

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yeah good evening Chris nice to be back

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and you know back on my feet

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you sound fit and fighting and ready to

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go Phil well go that far but you know

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I'm fitting able to munch me Yorkshire

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puddings without them Billy he dies that

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was that make that sound founder me feel

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founder me we're gonna go back a little

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bit now into the mists of time and we're

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gonna go back to Friday May the 5th 1995

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when about 100 people gathered a small

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cinema in the Museum of London and their

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invitations had come from a gentleman

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who ran merlin productions it was a

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gentleman by the name of recentlly he

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operated a small music video business on

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Baulkham Street in London if this is

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when Santilli screened

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a black-and-white videotape I was quite

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interested in that it wasn't film then

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so which he said contains several

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film that had been transferred from an

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old and deteriorated original 1947

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celluloid this has become known as the

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alien autopsy footage now it's alleged

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that Santilli received this film footage

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from a retired US Army I believe it was

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same cameraman really this was announced

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to the world in grit äj-- you know we've

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well it didn't turn out to be exactly

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that way did it's not I told Chris not

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at all Chris I mean going back in time

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to to that particular screening I was

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the the audience was invitation-only so

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there I hadn't had anything to do with

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the organise you know they although I

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did get one or two people invited they

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asked if they could attend and I just

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Little Theatre does you said you know

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an air of excitement lights go down it

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and but the strange thing about it there

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was no sound no introduction no ladies

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and gentlemen you know here it is or

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whatever now I had you but I didn't know

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at the time is which I found out later

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colleagues was in they you know the the

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viewing room at the back and they were

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actually tagged talking down the

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microphone and they hasn't actually

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switched you on so that's why there was

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no sit-down they hadn't switched the and

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mean will gone and there was a number of

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the members of the media they're looking

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till to ask him questions about what

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their beans seen and guess all got stuck

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we talking to them yours truly and

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little is it pin pinned up against the

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wall or with a Fidel the microphones

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around him asking me questions that I

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simply couldn't answer III had no idea

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what they were talking about unbeknown

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and some of the deals were done there

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strange day all around was was was that

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particular day Chris I could imagine it

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would have been were there any titles at

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the beginning for example top secret you

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know this is their eyes only whatever

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off in there let's let's throw

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everything oh I know they under some

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some leaflets out to begin with and in

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amongst those worthy so-called mj-12

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documents there was a copy of them and a

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brief intro but there was absolutely

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nothing it was like you know you sat

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there and lights go off and on it goes

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and like I said it was Santilli on his

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colleague will or in the projection

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booth with the microphone talking away

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but they forgot to switch it on yeah so

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there you go now Santilli i did say was

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the us a me a cameraman no he wasn't

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he's a US Air Force photographer and he

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he'd filmed a flying saucer that had

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defense now

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Army personnel that had with them a

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strange humanoid body with big eyes and

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testimonies this must have been the one

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being or far found at the site that

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interesting that not many other people

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who have both said that they've seen

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aliens or they've had a close encounter

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fingers and six toes but you're

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with Roswell and the fact that the date

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is a full month at least before the

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we come up to you know East is shown the

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film and I know you started

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investigating it then Phil and you spent

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in total about 14 years of your own time

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provenance of this of this autopsy this

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this footage what did you find I mean

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thanks for reminding me I took so long I

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mean something he first contacted me in

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1993 I mean he didn't write to me

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Research Association and I was their

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press officer and it was a letter just

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askin if you four would be interested in

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assisting with a UFO documentary I wrote

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back said yeah whatever and sent him a

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leaflet we had a couple of letters then

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I phoned him and it what after a couple

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of phone calls he then one Tom went on

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to say well actually I've got film

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footage of the Roswell crash and you

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conversation can I went well show me

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can I can I just stop you the earth

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sector if he's got allege footage in his

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contacts you doing early 93 war that are

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about middle announced yeah me whatever

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and he wants to he's got this footage

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that everybody's waiting for why did he

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not say here in right to bu Farah in a

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letter and say I've got beautiful

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beautiful look I've got this footage

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evidence you know why didn't you mention

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it well you know your guess is as good

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as mine Chris but it kept every time I

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asked to see it will come up with an

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excuse as to why I couldn't so you for a

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story about you know out in in Cleveland

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all this kind of stuff and he claimed he

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former military cameraman and he bought

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some Elvis footage of him and then he

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small release I think so many what the

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company was releasing it and we've been

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claims to have this Roswell footage so I

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fished his business card out of my box I

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phoned him and he says yes I do feel it

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but you don't believe me

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so much I can't believe you until you

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show me so he's okay

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make an appointment with my my secretary

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and come and see it so off well when my

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my wife and I the first piece of film he

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shoulders which I still have

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he called the tent footage runs for

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about 12 minutes it's pretty dark okay

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there's a creature on a slab that's

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covered by a you know a blanket of some

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kind there's two people ie doctors in

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white coats the far side of it messing

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the cameras static all the time there's

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no sound no noise and he said this was

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actually the creature being examined on

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ten where it as female generally it's

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just it right okay it's the creature on

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a slab it's covered by a blanket all you

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can see is the head and then some hands

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sticking out it's very dark it then

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location you know but were slightly

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one of which was where there is an

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examination of the the creatures

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genitals for want of a better word that

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particular one we only ever saw once and

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it's much much brighter than the other

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one much clearer if you like and then he

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shoulders what he claimed was some

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wreckage debris off of the you know from

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the crash no I was also beautiful or its

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conference organiser and we had a

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conference organized already later that

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year in the August and just thinking on

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my feet I thought what that what needs

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to happen with this this footage is for

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it to be made public then it can be

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scrutinized you know by whoever still

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just on the spot Chris I just said to

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Santilli will you show her our

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conference and he said yeah if you will

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let me investigate it Phillip and we

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shook hands there was no contract no

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money or anything involved and that was

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it and and that's how we all kicked off

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my knowledge there was no television

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involved ray told me that he was

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intending to sell a via video you know

272
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sell through so you know have a you know

273
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we're going the shops on a video I got

274
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to buy it direct from him I'm not sure

275
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how it would have worked but um

276
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wasn't until later on when news of the

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film slipped out into the into the media

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that that television became involved and

279
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things changes literally overnight so

280
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that that's how it all started Chris it

281
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was quite by accidents you know and make

282
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it what you will

283
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what Sam what's JB statement you know

284
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released at the same time then from no I

285
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mean you know the JB is the the alleged

286
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initials of the cameraman now when the

287
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meal it became involved Bray was put

288
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under an awful lot of pressure to have

289
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some kind of discord with with the

290
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cameraman so he released this this this

291
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you know this timeline of what the

292
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cameraman allegedly said you know that

293
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Tim and again that you pick holes in it

294
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because you know there are certain

295
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English words in it that an American

296
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wouldn't say you know like I was in the

297
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forces

298
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that's a typically British way of

299
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describe I mean if you've been in the

300
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military you know that could was all

301
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branches of the military I was in the

302
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forces you could be in any it's not not

303
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a kind of thing that the Americans say

304
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all the little things and raised you

305
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said oh well you know it was my

306
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secretary who typed it up from you know

307
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a tape recording you know and she's just

308
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put those things it was so every time

309
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you find her a little tiny fault in

310
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inverted commas

311
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he always had a you know you know not an

312
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unreasonable excuse sometimes you know

313
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and because if you have a went in raised

314
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office on baulkham see if anybody wants

315
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to know where Baulkham Street is in

316
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London II it's famous for perhaps one

317
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thing and that was the Baulkham Street

318
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siege that the Iranian embassy where the

319
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SOS SAS stormed it where it's at the

320
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bottom of that same street it and it's

321
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originally been housed by the look of it

322
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and Ray's office was small pokey and I

323
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think it was over three floors off and

324
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maybe even father's Pete people running

325
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up and down the stairs all the times

326
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don't lift on anything like that and it

327
00:14:47,010 --> 00:14:45,430
was a pretty chaotic but that's where he

328
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operated from at the time I think it

329
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moved to different offices later on

330
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Sam so so you know that that's where it

331
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all came from there was a lot of

332
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pressure put on Rey for various things

333
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the reason I asked that feel is but as

334
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you know I'm a photographer do weddings

335
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etc so if anybody like a photographer

336
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Here I am and the reason I ask that is

337
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as a photographer I like to know what my

338
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job is and I'm perfectly certain that JB

339
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if he did exist which I don't think he

340
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did you know it would have been under

341
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the same opinion what is the job I'm

342
00:15:29,759 --> 00:15:27,100
going to do etc etc and surely if it was

343
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something as staggering as that it would

344
00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:31,449
have been told you know get there we've

345
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got some things crushed blah blah blah

346
00:15:36,809 --> 00:15:35,440
you know and we've got these unusual

347
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bodies we want you to come and film them

348
00:15:40,710 --> 00:15:38,769
that would that is out that is my take

349
00:15:43,350 --> 00:15:40,720
on it that's my personal take you know

350
00:15:46,410 --> 00:15:43,360
like it a lump it that is me but what I

351
00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:46,420
do found quite interesting again in JB's

352
00:15:49,439 --> 00:15:47,410
Alex kipman

353
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is that he received instructions from

354
00:15:55,170 --> 00:15:51,970
two generals one of them which was

355
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general cow spouts who became the chief

356
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of staff of the newly independent US Air

357
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Force after its creation in September 47

358
00:16:07,230 --> 00:16:04,360
and general spots told him what had

359
00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:07,240
crashed was the Russian spying Lynn at

360
00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:09,970
Roswell saw two generals in one day so

361
00:16:14,730 --> 00:16:12,250
the job is clearly important if that is

362
00:16:17,879 --> 00:16:14,740
the truth you know but what I also found

363
00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:17,889
interesting is that the script on the

364
00:16:24,180 --> 00:16:21,850
allege i-beam has been described as even

365
00:16:27,870 --> 00:16:24,190
by people like Linda Moulton Howe on a

366
00:16:30,930 --> 00:16:27,880
on a air files Air Wick website as early

367
00:16:31,819 --> 00:16:30,940
or classical Greek I don't know where

368
00:16:34,829 --> 00:16:31,829
that came from

369
00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:34,839
well that's that they're on their mail

370
00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:36,130
saying I know I know I know what you

371
00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:39,930
mean now the reason I ask that is

372
00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:41,769
because we've actually got under the

373
00:16:44,639 --> 00:16:42,970
guest with us this evening

374
00:16:47,059 --> 00:16:44,649
I know he's sitting there nice and

375
00:16:49,650 --> 00:16:47,069
patient and quiet in the background and

376
00:16:55,050 --> 00:16:49,660
Spiros what are y'all rare what are you

377
00:16:56,610 --> 00:16:55,060
real hello well yeah I got into rock

378
00:16:59,160 --> 00:16:56,620
because I watched Linda Moulton Howe

379
00:17:01,050 --> 00:16:59,170
talking recently about this and she was

380
00:17:02,740 --> 00:17:01,060
talking about the symbols on these beams

381
00:17:10,809 --> 00:17:02,750
and

382
00:17:13,540 --> 00:17:10,819
because it just so happened to the man

383
00:17:16,750 --> 00:17:13,550
that faked it is of Greek it is a greek

384
00:17:21,790 --> 00:17:16,760
descent soho don't surprise there but

385
00:17:25,630 --> 00:17:21,800
they got solace but also i was listening

386
00:17:28,420 --> 00:17:25,640
very very carefully just now and and and

387
00:17:30,460 --> 00:17:28,430
you said the original film that was

388
00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:30,470
shown was the penitent footage yes

389
00:17:37,210 --> 00:17:32,450
that's the first piece to film I ever

390
00:17:38,650 --> 00:17:37,220
saw yes now since then right first I

391
00:17:38,860 --> 00:17:38,660
need to ask you three questions of my

392
00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:38,870
own

393
00:17:44,980 --> 00:17:42,290
okay the first one is the tenth footage

394
00:17:46,510 --> 00:17:44,990
was touted as real was it yes okay so

395
00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:46,520
that was sent Ilya that positioned it

396
00:17:50,170 --> 00:17:48,530
this is it I've got a real thing yes he

397
00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:50,180
said this was this was filmed

398
00:17:54,940 --> 00:17:52,970
on-location yeah you know at the crash

399
00:17:57,870 --> 00:17:54,950
site in a field tent okay

400
00:18:01,090 --> 00:17:57,880
my next question is was it proven fake

401
00:18:02,980 --> 00:18:01,100
yes and the nut of the last question is

402
00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:02,990
this Santilli admit it was faked

403
00:18:09,310 --> 00:18:06,170
yes right so we know that is fake right

404
00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:09,320
everywhere we know the people that made

405
00:18:16,450 --> 00:18:13,690
it so Santilli did put up a genuine film

406
00:18:18,460 --> 00:18:16,460
that turned out to be fake yes it was

407
00:18:21,310 --> 00:18:18,470
actually made by gentleman called Keith

408
00:18:23,350 --> 00:18:21,320
Bateman yeah and there's a there's a

409
00:18:27,420 --> 00:18:23,360
whole story behind it but what is

410
00:18:29,860 --> 00:18:27,430
interesting is when Santilli started to

411
00:18:32,470 --> 00:18:29,870
sell the film to the television

412
00:18:37,270 --> 00:18:32,480
companies Spiros yeah the package that

413
00:18:42,490 --> 00:18:37,280
was sold to Fox was the tent footage one

414
00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:42,500
autopsy and the debris yes so he even

415
00:18:49,150 --> 00:18:46,250
sold it as real yes now here's the thing

416
00:18:51,250 --> 00:18:49,160
I know that obviously I was asking the

417
00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:51,260
question because I didn't want to make

418
00:18:55,660 --> 00:18:53,450
my my comments I wanted to hear your own

419
00:18:59,260 --> 00:18:55,670
because you lived it right you were the

420
00:19:01,240 --> 00:18:59,270
guy yeah so we know that the point on me

421
00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:01,250
the king is I want to establish a number

422
00:19:07,630 --> 00:19:03,370
of things as we speak today because

423
00:19:09,250 --> 00:19:07,640
eventually I hope you both will say and

424
00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:09,260
also the view the listeners will say

425
00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:13,250
there's too much for us to swallow here

426
00:19:16,590 --> 00:19:15,650
right because it's not one thing it's a

427
00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:16,600
lot of things

428
00:19:22,500 --> 00:19:21,650
so first of all Santilli has put up a

429
00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:22,510
piece of film

430
00:19:28,750 --> 00:19:25,850
indeed he sold it to folks and told him

431
00:19:30,789 --> 00:19:28,760
it was real and then it was found to be

432
00:19:32,710 --> 00:19:30,799
fake and then everyone came out and the

433
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:32,720
makers came out said it was fake then so

434
00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:34,970
until he admitted that it was fake now

435
00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:39,650
he had a story he had a story which said

436
00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:41,450
well he was some kind of it was fooled

437
00:19:45,370 --> 00:19:42,890
or he was conned by them and it was some

438
00:19:48,190 --> 00:19:45,380
kind and a gag I don't know but ok let's

439
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:48,200
accept that for a minute because this is

440
00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:49,010
where I come in

441
00:19:56,500 --> 00:19:52,370
the first film I was shown by a Santilli

442
00:20:00,130 --> 00:19:56,510
was the tent footage and I told him it

443
00:20:02,049 --> 00:20:00,140
was fake and he taught of me oh no no

444
00:20:04,659 --> 00:20:02,059
this is genuine film and it came from

445
00:20:06,549 --> 00:20:04,669
and I said rave this is shot on VHS if

446
00:20:09,279 --> 00:20:06,559
not VHS is low-band

447
00:20:14,169 --> 00:20:09,289
and it is fake it's video didn't exist

448
00:20:16,090 --> 00:20:14,179
in 47 and he said oh I don't know I've

449
00:20:18,250 --> 00:20:16,100
spent a lot of money on this and now I'm

450
00:20:21,779 --> 00:20:18,260
gonna be in trouble and I've been what

451
00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:21,789
to do which is how I came about offering

452
00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:26,000
to make it again as an experiment I said

453
00:20:30,789 --> 00:20:27,110
you know what this is really intriguing

454
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:30,799
I can make for this for you properly if

455
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:34,010
I made it and we gave it to broadcasters

456
00:20:39,549 --> 00:20:37,490
let them see an unusual full film let

457
00:20:41,649 --> 00:20:39,559
them tell us what they think it is and

458
00:20:43,690 --> 00:20:41,659
then then as soon as we've was done that

459
00:20:44,380 --> 00:20:43,700
and no one could discuss discovered it's

460
00:20:46,539 --> 00:20:44,390
not real

461
00:20:48,519 --> 00:20:46,549
we can tell them how we made it and he

462
00:20:51,399 --> 00:20:48,529
was turned on to that and he said how

463
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:51,409
much will it cost I gave him a price and

464
00:20:55,180 --> 00:20:53,450
we shook hands and that was it ok now

465
00:20:57,220 --> 00:20:55,190
this took a couple of days from moment

466
00:21:00,490 --> 00:20:57,230
he showed me the footage the 10th

467
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:00,500
footage to me driving her own talking to

468
00:21:05,049 --> 00:21:01,730
John Humphries and then coming back to

469
00:21:09,279 --> 00:21:05,059
to write my explaining John I'm pretty

470
00:21:12,930 --> 00:21:09,289
sure my very close friend who is a

471
00:21:16,659 --> 00:21:12,940
sculptor and spiritual effects expert

472
00:21:20,889 --> 00:21:16,669
he's he's now primarily a fine art

473
00:21:23,019 --> 00:21:20,899
sculpture sculptor and and he teaches at

474
00:21:28,090 --> 00:21:23,029
the Royal Academy of Art he's a lecturer

475
00:21:29,529 --> 00:21:28,100
there and he's he's made for it made a

476
00:21:30,210 --> 00:21:29,539
book made a name for himself for the

477
00:21:32,279 --> 00:21:30,220
sculptor

478
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:32,289
but it's when I knew John early on the

479
00:21:36,869 --> 00:21:34,450
Indian early days when I first met John

480
00:21:38,490 --> 00:21:36,879
he was working for a company called

481
00:21:40,619 --> 00:21:38,500
coast-to-coast productions and

482
00:21:45,299 --> 00:21:40,629
coast-to-coast bid lots of special

483
00:21:47,700 --> 00:21:45,309
effects filter for films and TV and and

484
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:47,710
that's his that was his back a crown at

485
00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:50,559
that time a frustrated very very

486
00:21:58,460 --> 00:21:52,809
talented sculptor he was sculpting for a

487
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:58,470
different different what's the word a

488
00:22:04,529 --> 00:22:01,360
different expertise you know the special

489
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:04,539
effects world requires somebody to

490
00:22:10,889 --> 00:22:08,320
sculpt in the makeup or you know

491
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:10,899
prosthetic makeup or bodies that go

492
00:22:14,490 --> 00:22:13,210
they'll be blown up in a movie or shot

493
00:22:15,810 --> 00:22:14,500
and killed or somebody's heads going to

494
00:22:18,930 --> 00:22:15,820
get cut off or whatever it whatever is

495
00:22:21,869 --> 00:22:18,940
in a movie but a sculptor would make it

496
00:22:23,639 --> 00:22:21,879
first and then after it's built made out

497
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:23,649
of latex or whatever then the special

498
00:22:27,180 --> 00:22:25,600
effects guys come in and put all the

499
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:27,190
electronics inside if they need it yeah

500
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:30,730
yeah so John's John's role was actually

501
00:22:39,180 --> 00:22:32,970
soul destroying for him because he's

502
00:22:41,519 --> 00:22:39,190
amazing artist be that as it may when

503
00:22:43,860 --> 00:22:41,529
I've came up with this John loves the

504
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:43,870
idea yeah he'd loved the concept of

505
00:22:47,700 --> 00:22:45,970
creating a being and the imagination it

506
00:22:51,749 --> 00:22:47,710
would need to put it together and design

507
00:22:53,730 --> 00:22:51,759
it and all that sort of stuff so that

508
00:22:56,009 --> 00:22:53,740
was how I got involved off the back of

509
00:22:58,830 --> 00:22:56,019
the 10 footage and now we've determined

510
00:23:01,590 --> 00:22:58,840
that it's fake we know that Santilli has

511
00:23:05,159 --> 00:23:01,600
agreed it's fake okay but let the record

512
00:23:09,180 --> 00:23:05,169
show that Sen Tilly did try to sell it

513
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:09,190
as real okay that move that so he's got

514
00:23:12,269 --> 00:23:10,720
it so basically spear us what you're

515
00:23:14,100 --> 00:23:12,279
saying is that he's like he's got a

516
00:23:16,409 --> 00:23:14,110
truck right well you know what if

517
00:23:18,389 --> 00:23:16,419
nothing else existed I would say he was

518
00:23:20,009 --> 00:23:18,399
jus tanned made a mistake but there's

519
00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:20,019
more isn't there there's more down the

520
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:23,049
line so now suddenly you know if I was

521
00:23:29,070 --> 00:23:25,840
if I was caught in a shop with the alarm

522
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:29,080
going off and the police caught me and

523
00:23:33,899 --> 00:23:30,970
the window was broken I could very

524
00:23:36,389 --> 00:23:33,909
easily say oh no no officer I was

525
00:23:38,190 --> 00:23:36,399
passing by and I thought somebody was in

526
00:23:39,869 --> 00:23:38,200
trouble and that's why I came in to see

527
00:23:41,850 --> 00:23:39,879
if I can help them I could be the

528
00:23:43,650 --> 00:23:41,860
burglar right but that's a feasible

529
00:23:46,140 --> 00:23:43,660
maybe that's you know and the police

530
00:23:49,470 --> 00:23:46,150
say okay well we've got nothing on you

531
00:23:51,690 --> 00:23:49,480
so we're gonna let you go but guess what

532
00:23:54,300 --> 00:23:51,700
my name's in their book and if I'm seen

533
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:54,310
in another in another shop with a window

534
00:24:00,480 --> 00:23:56,770
broken and the alarm going off it's now

535
00:24:02,730 --> 00:24:00,490
too close for comfort to be genuinely a

536
00:24:05,730 --> 00:24:02,740
mistake it's clearly I'm a thief right

537
00:24:07,650 --> 00:24:05,740
this is there's no question about that

538
00:24:10,050 --> 00:24:07,660
after that because to time is too much

539
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:10,060
right one time my mistake two times you

540
00:24:14,700 --> 00:24:12,970
know so that's where Santilli sits at

541
00:24:16,380 --> 00:24:14,710
this moment in time we've caught him in

542
00:24:18,780 --> 00:24:16,390
the shop with a broken window and we've

543
00:24:21,780 --> 00:24:18,790
let him go because he said he's got a

544
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:21,790
good excuse but if we we carry on we're

545
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:23,200
gonna see he's in the shop again he's

546
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:25,200
another shot would have broke a window

547
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:28,240
but but let's not let's not be judge and

548
00:24:31,410 --> 00:24:29,890
jury here let's just look at the facts

549
00:24:34,260 --> 00:24:31,420
and nothing else okay because I'm very

550
00:24:36,780 --> 00:24:34,270
keen to be fair and and just put the

551
00:24:43,260 --> 00:24:36,790
facts out there yeah I think things

552
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:43,270
change dogs morose yeah when when we set

553
00:24:48,300 --> 00:24:44,770
on a gentleman by the name of Chris

554
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:48,310
Carey yes well risk when Chris Kerry

555
00:24:56,250 --> 00:24:51,810
came to work with Santilli I'm for him

556
00:24:58,770 --> 00:24:56,260
things did change quite quickly and and

557
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:58,780
Chris was the maid then more or less the

558
00:25:03,150 --> 00:25:01,120
main man you were dealing with and he

559
00:25:07,140 --> 00:25:03,160
wouldn't let anything slip by and now

560
00:25:10,650 --> 00:25:07,150
now him and I almost came to blows we

561
00:25:12,660 --> 00:25:10,660
were at a conference in San Marino yeah

562
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:12,670
and we were actually showing the first

563
00:25:20,850 --> 00:25:17,650
stills from the alien autopsy film and I

564
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:20,860
took with me in my luggage the the these

565
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:21,970
were just stills that were showing

566
00:25:26,910 --> 00:25:24,400
nothing else I took ten footage with mad

567
00:25:29,580 --> 00:25:26,920
son till he had given me a copy yeah and

568
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:29,590
I said at the bar at that you know

569
00:25:36,690 --> 00:25:32,010
afterwards at night look let's get a a

570
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:36,700
video and I'll play it yeah and Sam and

571
00:25:40,050 --> 00:25:38,290
Chris Kerry was there he'd been invited

572
00:25:42,540 --> 00:25:40,060
over and he says you're not playing it

573
00:25:43,980 --> 00:25:42,550
and he put his hand on me and I heard

574
00:25:45,270 --> 00:25:43,990
you see you better take it and off me

575
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:45,280
mate I didn't particularly like him

576
00:25:53,250 --> 00:25:49,840
anyway well as it can I just finish as

577
00:25:55,530 --> 00:25:53,260
it turned out the hotel didn't have a

578
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:55,540
video plane anyway so we couldn't show

579
00:26:00,500 --> 00:25:57,250
it so yeah bye

580
00:26:02,159 --> 00:26:00,510
Chris sorry fell out I didn't mean to

581
00:26:05,460 --> 00:26:02,169
stop what you say

582
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:05,470
who is Chris Carrie was I don't know

583
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:07,210
where he came from or what you would

584
00:26:15,090 --> 00:26:10,770
actually describe his role as but he

585
00:26:17,789 --> 00:26:15,100
tore then took over the negotiations

586
00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:17,799
oh yeah well he was the guy that went

587
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:19,510
out and did the deal with Fox for

588
00:26:25,169 --> 00:26:21,520
example he was he was the guy that did

589
00:26:27,330 --> 00:26:25,179
that and and he he basically stopped I

590
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:27,340
mean what if you watch the Ant and Dec

591
00:26:33,870 --> 00:26:30,490
alien autopsy movie for me about the

592
00:26:36,330 --> 00:26:33,880
only truth in it is the way that

593
00:26:38,820 --> 00:26:36,340
Santilli would just say things off the

594
00:26:41,010 --> 00:26:38,830
top of his head and you'd see the others

595
00:26:42,930 --> 00:26:41,020
in the background you know holding the

596
00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:42,940
head well you know Chris Kerry tried to

597
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:44,110
put a lid on that kind of thing

598
00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:48,880
happening on it for you yeah I've met

599
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:53,110
Chris I've known him a long time but you

600
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:54,730
know I know his wife and his kids and

601
00:26:59,010 --> 00:26:57,039
they've been do came to my studio so I

602
00:27:02,640 --> 00:26:59,020
know I'm quite well and I'm gonna put my

603
00:27:04,860 --> 00:27:02,650
neck out and say I don't believe Chris

604
00:27:08,370 --> 00:27:04,870
knew that the agent autopsy was faked

605
00:27:12,510 --> 00:27:08,380
what sin Tilly did was he got Chris who

606
00:27:16,110 --> 00:27:12,520
is a he's a Salesman he he he's a

607
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:16,120
Salesman in media so if you've got a

608
00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:19,090
movie to sell or a TV show whatever he

609
00:27:24,090 --> 00:27:20,710
would be the guy that visits it all your

610
00:27:27,330 --> 00:27:24,100
buyers and the ghosts chase the rates

611
00:27:30,210 --> 00:27:27,340
and does the deals for you okay so a

612
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:30,220
clever move would be to get a stand-up

613
00:27:34,529 --> 00:27:32,530
guy in the business so people know who

614
00:27:37,230 --> 00:27:34,539
this guy is that's what he does for a

615
00:27:39,090 --> 00:27:37,240
living they all know him so they're

616
00:27:40,380 --> 00:27:39,100
gonna talk to him and negotiate there's

617
00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:40,390
not somebody off the street it's not

618
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:44,100
somebody that has had a track record and

619
00:27:50,909 --> 00:27:49,330
he in himself off is totally totally

620
00:27:53,130 --> 00:27:50,919
convinced it's real because he doesn't

621
00:27:55,020 --> 00:27:53,140
know it isn't therefore his demeanor and

622
00:27:58,680 --> 00:27:55,030
his confidence and his stature

623
00:28:01,590 --> 00:27:58,690
it is gonna tell the person buying this

624
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:01,600
is absolutely real if Santilli did it

625
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:03,520
his body language and his stuttering and

626
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:04,960
the wall all the stuff of these

627
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:06,730
deviations and all the rest of it would

628
00:28:09,930 --> 00:28:08,320
come into play and people would say hold

629
00:28:11,180 --> 00:28:09,940
on this guy's a bit dodgy something's

630
00:28:13,940 --> 00:28:11,190
not quite right

631
00:28:16,460 --> 00:28:13,950
but Chris because he felt he was just

632
00:28:21,710 --> 00:28:16,470
representing a client and it's a genuine

633
00:28:24,350 --> 00:28:21,720
project therefore he has nothing to hide

634
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:24,360
he's gonna look people in the eye could

635
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:25,890
you stop giving him the information that

636
00:28:29,930 --> 00:28:28,050
was right so he's gone in with every

637
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:29,940
assurance from Santilli and Shu field

638
00:28:35,690 --> 00:28:33,210
and I would I would imagine it came from

639
00:28:37,490 --> 00:28:35,700
Shu field not from Santilli and the

640
00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:37,500
reason I say that is because she feels

641
00:28:40,790 --> 00:28:39,510
spiros yeah punch it you mentioned

642
00:28:42,770 --> 00:28:40,800
another gentleman they're going

643
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:42,780
Schofield explained who Gary she'll feel

644
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:47,490
this okay well Gary Schofield was Ray's

645
00:28:55,730 --> 00:28:52,290
best friend he was also a distributor of

646
00:28:58,220 --> 00:28:55,740
copyrights so he worked his whole career

647
00:29:00,140 --> 00:28:58,230
is buying and selling copyrights he

648
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:00,150
worked for copyright promotions in

649
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:03,810
Oxford in London they owned Superman and

650
00:29:10,490 --> 00:29:07,170
various other big copyrights so he was

651
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:10,500
in the same game as Chris Kerry and so I

652
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:13,650
imagine it was it was she field

653
00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:16,880
who brought carry on board and who

654
00:29:24,700 --> 00:29:22,710
briefed Carrie so cuz ray rap pays a lot

655
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:24,710
of things you know he's a bit of a

656
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:28,050
character in the film is pretty much you

657
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:31,200
know selling carpet Rebecca Levin that's

658
00:29:37,010 --> 00:29:33,330
the guy that's the character he's you

659
00:29:38,570 --> 00:29:37,020
know how to make a buck and and taking

660
00:29:41,900 --> 00:29:38,580
chances and doing stuff and that's the

661
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:41,910
character with dealing with so you don't

662
00:29:45,380 --> 00:29:43,200
put him upfront you don't put him to the

663
00:29:48,050 --> 00:29:45,390
front to deal with books you put a

664
00:29:50,390 --> 00:29:48,060
proper agent in a suit you know Anna

665
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:50,400
knows all the terminology and has dealt

666
00:29:57,020 --> 00:29:53,130
with them before and because that

667
00:29:59,180 --> 00:29:57,030
person's got okay yeah okay good what I

668
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:59,190
want to do guys because I don't want to

669
00:30:03,770 --> 00:30:01,440
spend our full two hours going over

670
00:30:05,300 --> 00:30:03,780
events set of basically you know we've

671
00:30:07,610 --> 00:30:05,310
covered before we've spoken to you

672
00:30:09,140 --> 00:30:07,620
before SP Russ about this and we had

673
00:30:11,210 --> 00:30:09,150
yourself and calling Wolford on earlier

674
00:30:13,820 --> 00:30:11,220
this year in January and obviously

675
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:13,830
events have changed slightly since then

676
00:30:19,940 --> 00:30:16,770
and what I want to do is when did you

677
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:19,950
come up now to 2006 when you became

678
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:22,650
publicly associated with the footage

679
00:30:29,419 --> 00:30:24,960
Spiros just tell us about that okay

680
00:30:30,859 --> 00:30:29,429
I wasn't able to go public because I was

681
00:30:33,589 --> 00:30:30,869
signed to a nondisclosure agreement with

682
00:30:35,810 --> 00:30:33,599
Santilli and I wasn't allowed to go

683
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:35,820
public until he put it into the public

684
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:37,919
domain and he did that with yet and

685
00:30:45,950 --> 00:30:42,690
sundeck film so when I went when I came

686
00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:45,960
when I went public it was it was during

687
00:30:51,769 --> 00:30:47,849
the time I think it was before 2000s

688
00:30:57,739 --> 00:30:51,779
exactly if it was late 20 2005 but okay

689
00:31:00,859 --> 00:30:57,749
but publicly 2006 the the issue that we

690
00:31:04,700 --> 00:31:00,869
have with when when I came when I came

691
00:31:06,830 --> 00:31:04,710
when I went public was because it was

692
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:06,840
such a long time that I did try to su

693
00:31:12,469 --> 00:31:10,559
Santa Lee before that time because I

694
00:31:16,099 --> 00:31:12,479
couldn't do it other than go into court

695
00:31:17,930 --> 00:31:16,109
because there was a contract now

696
00:31:20,029 --> 00:31:17,940
Santilli just to give you a little bit

697
00:31:21,739 --> 00:31:20,039
of background because until he dines out

698
00:31:23,719 --> 00:31:21,749
on a number of half-truths and I'm gonna

699
00:31:27,379 --> 00:31:23,729
tell you the truth here so you can see

700
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:27,389
where where it where is that he used to

701
00:31:33,229 --> 00:31:30,450
come into my studio pretty much daily my

702
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:33,239
staff knew him he he could walk in and

703
00:31:37,399 --> 00:31:35,039
be given a coffee and walked straight at

704
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:37,409
my office even if I wasn't in and wait

705
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:40,559
for me you know he used to tell people

706
00:31:44,810 --> 00:31:42,570
that he owned my studio he used to tell

707
00:31:47,599 --> 00:31:44,820
them that he owned it we did an awful

708
00:31:49,789 --> 00:31:47,609
lot of stuff together but he didn't only

709
00:31:51,409 --> 00:31:49,799
he wasn't a partner had no no financial

710
00:31:53,570 --> 00:31:51,419
investment nothing no shareholding

711
00:31:55,369 --> 00:31:53,580
nothing but he did tell a number of

712
00:31:57,859 --> 00:31:55,379
people that he did open it when I found

713
00:31:59,749 --> 00:31:57,869
that out afterwards but the point is he

714
00:32:01,820 --> 00:31:59,759
did have access to my filing cabinet in

715
00:32:05,479 --> 00:32:01,830
my office now I did have a contract with

716
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:05,489
him and what he did do because I've now

717
00:32:07,399 --> 00:32:06,809
just I've discovered that's what's

718
00:32:10,249 --> 00:32:07,409
happened

719
00:32:13,999 --> 00:32:10,259
he took my contract out and replaced it

720
00:32:15,049 --> 00:32:14,009
with another one and it's a I didn't

721
00:32:17,210 --> 00:32:15,059
know it was changed I thought was the

722
00:32:19,310 --> 00:32:17,220
same thing I've produced that contract

723
00:32:20,719 --> 00:32:19,320
in the case that I tried to have been a

724
00:32:22,909 --> 00:32:20,729
film that if you know about this field

725
00:32:25,879 --> 00:32:22,919
but if you don't I'll tell you the story

726
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:25,889
now quickly he changed a couple of

727
00:32:29,869 --> 00:32:27,570
things in it that I wouldn't notice and

728
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:29,879
what that was was he changed the address

729
00:32:35,570 --> 00:32:32,129
and he changed his address and he

730
00:32:38,300 --> 00:32:35,580
changed his phone number and he put an

731
00:32:41,210 --> 00:32:38,310
address that he wasn't at until two

732
00:32:43,370 --> 00:32:41,220
years later and a phone number that he

733
00:32:45,980 --> 00:32:43,380
didn't have until two years later so

734
00:32:49,670 --> 00:32:45,990
when it got to the lawyer's stage he

735
00:32:52,850 --> 00:32:49,680
said this is a bogus contract and look I

736
00:32:54,380 --> 00:32:52,860
could prove it he said I wasn't even at

737
00:32:56,750 --> 00:32:54,390
this address when this contract was

738
00:32:58,550 --> 00:32:56,760
supposed to be signed and of course I

739
00:33:00,110 --> 00:32:58,560
was flabbergasted because I didn't look

740
00:33:01,850 --> 00:33:00,120
at it I just didn't I didn't think to

741
00:33:04,610 --> 00:33:01,860
check to check but he had every

742
00:33:08,540 --> 00:33:04,620
opportunity to switch it be that as it

743
00:33:10,220 --> 00:33:08,550
may I've I've what I ran out of time in

744
00:33:12,620 --> 00:33:10,230
terms of a legal situation but there's a

745
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:12,630
thing called statutes of a statute of

746
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:14,880
limitations which which after ten years

747
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:17,850
you can't go to court on a on what they

748
00:33:22,850 --> 00:33:20,610
will deem as a business a civil business

749
00:33:25,730 --> 00:33:22,860
situation which is no crime no crime has

750
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:25,740
been committed it's just run out so I

751
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:28,110
thought I couldn't sue him anymore and

752
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:30,000
any kind of left there and then I

753
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:33,810
discovered that a fraud had been

754
00:33:39,020 --> 00:33:36,210
committed and when a fraud has been

755
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:39,030
committed the statue of limitations is

756
00:33:44,990 --> 00:33:42,240
lifted this is forever you can't want

757
00:33:46,910 --> 00:33:45,000
have a limitation for example if you

758
00:33:48,980 --> 00:33:46,920
murdered somebody you would be done for

759
00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:48,990
murder anytime you are discovered to be

760
00:33:53,420 --> 00:33:51,510
the murderer there is no time it runs

761
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:53,430
out I mean you can't be you can't be

762
00:33:57,530 --> 00:33:55,770
arrested you with me so yeah I

763
00:34:01,040 --> 00:33:57,540
understand its asymmetry yes well

764
00:34:02,510 --> 00:34:01,050
there's no statute yes so how do I fight

765
00:34:06,740 --> 00:34:02,520
how did I find out there was a fraud

766
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:06,750
involved well very simply I copyrighted

767
00:34:12,770 --> 00:34:10,290
my footage and the Library of Congress

768
00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:12,780
in America wrote back to me and said we

769
00:34:18,350 --> 00:34:14,730
can't register this footage because it's

770
00:34:20,060 --> 00:34:18,360
already registered so I said really

771
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:20,070
who's registered it and they said well

772
00:34:25,790 --> 00:34:22,410
there's a company called orbital media

773
00:34:27,830 --> 00:34:25,800
which is owned by Ray Santilli and they

774
00:34:31,700 --> 00:34:27,840
registered the copyright but they've got

775
00:34:33,830 --> 00:34:31,710
a different date on it which is 1947 so

776
00:34:36,980 --> 00:34:33,840
I said what the film was made in 1995

777
00:34:39,890 --> 00:34:36,990
and I can prove it so because the

778
00:34:44,750 --> 00:34:39,900
mistake that sent ill he made because I

779
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:44,760
I have got an area that that's still not

780
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:46,650
that easy to prove although I still

781
00:34:52,099 --> 00:34:49,770
prove it but the the debris footage

782
00:34:55,249 --> 00:34:52,109
there's two elements for the

783
00:34:58,220 --> 00:34:55,259
copyright there's the autopsy and then

784
00:34:59,900 --> 00:34:58,230
his footage of supposedly pieces of

785
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:59,910
spacecraft that were picked up in the

786
00:35:05,479 --> 00:35:01,200
field where it with a spaceship crashed

787
00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:05,489
and being logged in a tent okay and that

788
00:35:11,210 --> 00:35:07,710
footage was part and parcel of the alien

789
00:35:16,489 --> 00:35:11,220
autopsy footage so I proved that that

790
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:16,499
footage I by mistake kept back one of

791
00:35:22,609 --> 00:35:19,440
the film tapes okay which dated it to 95

792
00:35:25,099 --> 00:35:22,619
plus I showed how I knew an awful lot

793
00:35:31,519 --> 00:35:25,109
about the film and and why white isn't

794
00:35:33,979 --> 00:35:31,529
real so they gave me a copyright 1995 on

795
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:33,989
the exact same footage of the footage

796
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:38,730
lodged with Santilli at 1947 I said to

797
00:35:44,299 --> 00:35:40,650
them how can there be two films lodged

798
00:35:46,430 --> 00:35:44,309
having different dates and and the lady

799
00:35:49,460 --> 00:35:46,440
said to me when not proactive we're

800
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:49,470
reactive if you want to bring that to

801
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:51,089
our attention we would have to then

802
00:35:58,519 --> 00:35:54,930
react to your to your clones and unless

803
00:35:59,930 --> 00:35:58,529
you do that we won't react okay but as I

804
00:36:01,339 --> 00:35:59,940
said it's in a sit there until I do

805
00:36:03,049 --> 00:36:01,349
something about it that's right it was a

806
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:03,059
costly performance and I thought well

807
00:36:07,999 --> 00:36:04,410
I'm not going to do that I'm gonna let

808
00:36:12,319 --> 00:36:08,009
fox do it because I then later got a

809
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:12,329
contract from Fox that Santilli has

810
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:15,599
signed verifying that and premiere

811
00:36:23,329 --> 00:36:20,210
things that the footage was 1947 and

812
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:23,339
shot in Italy well then I don't really

813
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:25,650
understand why he put Italy but there

814
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:27,839
must be a a loophole there somewhere but

815
00:36:34,849 --> 00:36:30,089
but all I do know is he registered it as

816
00:36:37,489 --> 00:36:34,859
a 1947 film when I know in my heart of

817
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:37,499
hearts in every part of my being but it

818
00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:40,650
isn't real so well that's that kind of

819
00:36:45,019 --> 00:36:43,049
yes sorry spirit and that's quite

820
00:36:46,940 --> 00:36:45,029
interesting shot in Italy so it wasn't

821
00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:46,950
shot in Roswell New Mexico now I'll tell

822
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:49,710
you why I think my I spoke to my lawyer

823
00:36:56,269 --> 00:36:53,450
now a couple lawyers and they both said

824
00:36:59,799 --> 00:36:56,279
the reason that he will have done that

825
00:37:03,769 --> 00:36:59,809
is because if he said this was shot in

826
00:37:05,540 --> 00:37:03,779
America Roswell by the military then

827
00:37:09,710 --> 00:37:05,550
they would be owning it

828
00:37:11,810 --> 00:37:09,720
so if he says it was shot in Italy it

829
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:11,820
takes American the military out of the

830
00:37:16,430 --> 00:37:14,880
Asian because it isn't isn't a military

831
00:37:17,900 --> 00:37:16,440
film anyway they have no claim to it

832
00:37:20,450 --> 00:37:17,910
but they would have a claim to it if he

833
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:20,460
were to register it because if you've

834
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:21,690
registered it and said it was shot in

835
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:25,200
America and the cameraman was anonymous

836
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:27,210
and blah blah blah and it came out it's

837
00:37:32,690 --> 00:37:30,290
a Roswell autopsy footage there then the

838
00:37:34,610 --> 00:37:32,700
government body that he's registered it

839
00:37:36,610 --> 00:37:34,620
in have an obligation to say to the

840
00:37:39,770 --> 00:37:36,620
military do you realize there's a

841
00:37:42,140 --> 00:37:39,780
there's a there's a registration from

842
00:37:45,730 --> 00:37:42,150
America now if it's Italy they have no

843
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:45,740
no they're not duty-bound to report it

844
00:37:50,650 --> 00:37:49,290
that's I think the reason it's just a

845
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:50,660
simple loop that's quite interesting

846
00:37:56,020 --> 00:37:53,850
yeah she's a simple loophole but here's

847
00:38:03,830 --> 00:37:56,030
the thing okay

848
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:03,840
he signed a contract with Fox to extort

849
00:38:09,650 --> 00:38:05,610
money from them by deception

850
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:09,660
okay now I've just said that on air and

851
00:38:13,370 --> 00:38:11,610
hopefully missus until he will take me

852
00:38:16,010 --> 00:38:13,380
to the task don't hold your breath

853
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:16,020
because he hasn't got a case I would

854
00:38:21,770 --> 00:38:19,530
love him to but when it was about a

855
00:38:23,570 --> 00:38:21,780
contract with me and Santilli he managed

856
00:38:25,580 --> 00:38:23,580
to nip that in the bud and I've learnt

857
00:38:27,410 --> 00:38:25,590
now not to make this about me

858
00:38:30,770 --> 00:38:27,420
and I'll tell you what what I mean by

859
00:38:33,770 --> 00:38:30,780
that if we speak to say calling Wolf's

860
00:38:36,980 --> 00:38:33,780
good he gets very personal and he turns

861
00:38:39,590 --> 00:38:36,990
it all about me and the diversion is

862
00:38:43,550 --> 00:38:39,600
let's not look at the film let's speak

863
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:43,560
about spirits but if I say to you forget

864
00:38:50,180 --> 00:38:45,690
me for a moment there is a fraudulent

865
00:38:55,130 --> 00:38:50,190
document in the US Library of Congress

866
00:38:58,520 --> 00:38:55,140
and Fox paid money because it on the

867
00:39:00,050 --> 00:38:58,530
back of that document then we should be

868
00:39:01,430 --> 00:39:00,060
looking at the film shouldn't we not me

869
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:01,440
I'm not even part of this at the moment

870
00:39:05,150 --> 00:39:03,810
so if we look at the film if you care if

871
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:05,160
you cry out a technique if you can't

872
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:07,650
attack the evidence has been you know

873
00:39:10,010 --> 00:39:08,850
then you cuff for the person who's

874
00:39:13,130 --> 00:39:10,020
bringing the effort that's right that's

875
00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:13,140
right so I'm not actually involved in

876
00:39:16,940 --> 00:39:15,510
the second in the Fox deal I wasn't

877
00:39:19,310 --> 00:39:16,950
there I didn't make any representations

878
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:19,320
I didn't do anything so

879
00:39:27,740 --> 00:39:22,890
but be that as it may I I need to then

880
00:39:30,980 --> 00:39:27,750
say okay if we know for a fact and I'll

881
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:30,990
qualify this that the suits in the film

882
00:39:40,940 --> 00:39:36,450
are fake the table in the film off is

883
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:40,950
fake the debris footage is fake okay and

884
00:39:47,810 --> 00:39:46,290
Santilli himself has inadvertently told

885
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:47,820
us it's fake okay

886
00:39:53,540 --> 00:39:50,850
he uses the wrong words because he calls

887
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:53,550
it a restoration where actually it's a

888
00:39:58,880 --> 00:39:57,690
recreation okay yeah I I well this is

889
00:40:00,350 --> 00:39:58,890
something this yes

890
00:40:03,290 --> 00:40:00,360
sorry Ferris this is something that

891
00:40:06,260 --> 00:40:03,300
about the other day regarding you know

892
00:40:09,290 --> 00:40:06,270
if it's a restoration it must involve

893
00:40:13,970 --> 00:40:09,300
the railed photograph the real film the

894
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:13,980
real video is a real painting etc etc if

895
00:40:18,770 --> 00:40:16,650
it isn't a restoration it's a remake if

896
00:40:21,620 --> 00:40:18,780
it is if it's a remake then it's a hoax

897
00:40:23,390 --> 00:40:21,630
of an original yeah then for example the

898
00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:23,400
Battle of Britain we all know came out

899
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:26,510
in 1968 the movie came out in 1968 69

900
00:40:31,460 --> 00:40:29,370
brilliant movie enjoyed it but it wasn't

901
00:40:32,750 --> 00:40:31,470
the real battle written exactly the same

902
00:40:38,420 --> 00:40:32,760
with the mutiny on the bounty and the

903
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:38,430
events that so so I wrote Chantilly a

904
00:40:45,620 --> 00:40:41,130
couple of days ago and I asked him a

905
00:40:48,410 --> 00:40:45,630
point-blank question if if what you say

906
00:40:50,990 --> 00:40:48,420
is correct I know of course I know and

907
00:40:52,850 --> 00:40:51,000
he knows that I know and he knows that I

908
00:40:55,130 --> 00:40:52,860
made it but forget that for a minute

909
00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:55,140
because his story isn't admitting that

910
00:41:02,810 --> 00:40:58,410
so I just simply asked him if you have

911
00:41:07,700 --> 00:41:02,820
the teeth of amazing experts who have

912
00:41:09,830 --> 00:41:07,710
renovated this film named them who are

913
00:41:11,390 --> 00:41:09,840
they there must be there must be the

914
00:41:13,100 --> 00:41:11,400
best in the world and there can't be

915
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:13,110
many of these people around because I

916
00:41:18,530 --> 00:41:14,880
know for a fact what he's saying they

917
00:41:21,740 --> 00:41:18,540
did is impossible so if the he's saying

918
00:41:24,860 --> 00:41:21,750
they took the film that was degraded and

919
00:41:29,210 --> 00:41:24,870
then no detail on it and they corrected

920
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:29,220
that detail for every frame doing one

921
00:41:39,350 --> 00:41:33,530
picture alone is a monumental task to do

922
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:39,360
24 frames a second is impossible but I'm

923
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:41,280
saying okay fair enough these experts

924
00:41:46,700 --> 00:41:44,250
exist let's let's have them who are they

925
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:46,710
why is it a secret there shouldn't be a

926
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:48,930
secret if these guys renovated a film

927
00:41:52,910 --> 00:41:50,310
they have done anything wrong why is it

928
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:52,920
a secret one do they need to be kept

929
00:41:58,970 --> 00:41:55,530
secret so so that's a very simple

930
00:42:01,280 --> 00:41:58,980
question isn't it yeah another question

931
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:01,290
the answer is the special people that

932
00:42:06,050 --> 00:42:03,570
he's talking about is John myself and my

933
00:42:11,740 --> 00:42:06,060
crew can I just interrupt there as well

934
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:11,750
Spiros going with Ray's restoration in

935
00:42:18,290 --> 00:42:15,650
inverted commas yes if that was the case

936
00:42:22,130 --> 00:42:18,300
you know then why would he make two

937
00:42:24,380 --> 00:42:22,140
alien autopsy films they're both

938
00:42:25,970 --> 00:42:24,390
different yeah you know you said

939
00:42:28,910 --> 00:42:25,980
something about the film the first one

940
00:42:31,070 --> 00:42:28,920
you saw it was very it was much brighter

941
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:31,080
much clearer why do you know why that

942
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:33,570
was much brighter and clearer I would as

943
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:35,730
I would assume you hadn't aged it

944
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:38,250
through that's right yeah we dismissed

945
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:42,480
it we I told at old ray it's wrong and

946
00:42:45,290 --> 00:42:43,920
he said up a couple to show this to

947
00:42:47,870 --> 00:42:45,300
people they're waiting for me I've been

948
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:47,880
putting them off and I've got to show it

949
00:42:51,170 --> 00:42:49,290
to them and I'm gonna be a lot trouble

950
00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:51,180
yeah yeah but you're right if let's say

951
00:42:55,790 --> 00:42:53,250
we believed ray for her for a moment yes

952
00:42:59,540 --> 00:42:55,800
the alien autopsy what we've all seen on

953
00:43:02,950 --> 00:42:59,550
television was a restoration yes why

954
00:43:06,349 --> 00:43:02,960
would he have two different restorations

955
00:43:08,270 --> 00:43:06,359
well it doesn't make any sense you

956
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:08,280
wouldn't you if you were restoring the

957
00:43:12,140 --> 00:43:08,970
Mona Lisa

958
00:43:13,820 --> 00:43:12,150
you won't about two pictures of the Mona

959
00:43:16,310 --> 00:43:13,830
Lisa would you what the argument I would

960
00:43:17,780 --> 00:43:16,320
give if that's the case is there

961
00:43:19,550 --> 00:43:17,790
different aliens there's two different

962
00:43:22,940 --> 00:43:19,560
autopsies that's what he would say

963
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,950
because the first one we did it was

964
00:43:27,050 --> 00:43:24,720
technically incorrect but it was

965
00:43:30,050 --> 00:43:27,060
actually quite good it didn't have a

966
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:30,060
damaged leg because it didn't even do

967
00:43:35,290 --> 00:43:31,920
anything with a leg so clearly it's a

968
00:43:38,450 --> 00:43:35,300
different alien that's what he would say

969
00:43:41,450 --> 00:43:38,460
but it's the same mold it came out of

970
00:43:43,010 --> 00:43:41,460
but if we buy the the other argument

971
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:43,020
which is oh these are these are clones

972
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:44,400
and they're this and the other but a

973
00:43:47,089 --> 00:43:46,170
little but the same would think so so

974
00:43:48,620 --> 00:43:47,099
you can wash it away

975
00:43:55,009 --> 00:43:48,630
you want to but the bigger picture is

976
00:43:56,989 --> 00:43:55,019
this iGate he he said to me let me have

977
00:43:59,180 --> 00:43:56,999
the tape so I can show people because I

978
00:44:01,940 --> 00:43:59,190
need to I said if you showed anyone this

979
00:44:03,739 --> 00:44:01,950
you're gonna get caught out because it's

980
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:03,749
technically incorrect and there are

981
00:44:08,900 --> 00:44:07,200
flaws and he said I won't show them

982
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,910
everything I'll just show them enough to

983
00:44:12,410 --> 00:44:10,319
whet the appetite and I won't let

984
00:44:14,509 --> 00:44:12,420
anything leave my office so nobody can

985
00:44:15,859 --> 00:44:14,519
analyze it I said okay well you're the

986
00:44:18,529 --> 00:44:15,869
boss do whatever you want it's your film

987
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:18,539
back that point he had paid for that

988
00:44:23,569 --> 00:44:21,119
film because the budget came from Volker

989
00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:23,579
Spielberg who who is a gentleman who

990
00:44:27,559 --> 00:44:25,049
lived in Germany at the time he was a

991
00:44:32,210 --> 00:44:27,569
friend and partner of Sen Tilly's and he

992
00:44:34,190 --> 00:44:32,220
he he put the money up to make it the

993
00:44:36,410 --> 00:44:34,200
second I think had to make it again and

994
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:36,420
Ray said he's run out of money and

995
00:44:42,829 --> 00:44:40,079
there's no money to make it again so I

996
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:42,839
did it again off my own back and I spent

997
00:44:47,509 --> 00:44:45,119
the Matt only the second time which is

998
00:44:49,249 --> 00:44:47,519
fortunate because that makes the one the

999
00:44:52,130 --> 00:44:49,259
film that you see in the public domain

1000
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:52,140
right now is actually mine entirely not

1001
00:44:57,079 --> 00:44:54,450
only did I create it design it etc etc

1002
00:44:59,269 --> 00:44:57,089
and film it but I also paid for it so I

1003
00:45:01,880 --> 00:44:59,279
become executive producer as well as

1004
00:45:04,969 --> 00:45:01,890
producer director so it's totally mine

1005
00:45:06,529 --> 00:45:04,979
so until he has no claim to it at all so

1006
00:45:08,569 --> 00:45:06,539
that was fortunate wasn't designed that

1007
00:45:11,089 --> 00:45:08,579
way but fortunate for me which is why I

1008
00:45:15,859 --> 00:45:11,099
was able to get the copyright through

1009
00:45:17,950 --> 00:45:15,869
but yeah sorry Aliexpress I was just

1010
00:45:19,099 --> 00:45:17,960
going to mention so this was wrong about

1011
00:45:22,430 --> 00:45:19,109
2006

1012
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:22,440
what would where Santilli is supposed to

1013
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:25,170
have said in an interview that his film

1014
00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:27,450
was a reconstruction that's more or less

1015
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:29,910
a time that occurred and said it

1016
00:45:37,130 --> 00:45:31,890
contained only a few frames from the

1017
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:37,140
original roll no no no it was 1995 yeah

1018
00:45:42,259 --> 00:45:39,210
thank you know what what Chris is saying

1019
00:45:48,829 --> 00:45:42,269
is you made it in 1995 but some till he

1020
00:45:50,509 --> 00:45:48,839
didn't change his story until the

1021
00:45:54,170 --> 00:45:50,519
running of the ant and Dec film and they

1022
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:54,180
said oh well in actual fact it's not the

1023
00:45:58,759 --> 00:45:56,960
genuine article it's actually a

1024
00:46:00,940 --> 00:45:58,769
restoration that's when he changed the

1025
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:00,950
story but the point

1026
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:03,450
it was basically saying that it was real

1027
00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:05,609
and his story regarding its acquisition

1028
00:46:10,339 --> 00:46:07,910
was still true even but let's not lose

1029
00:46:14,510 --> 00:46:10,349
track of one thing okay

1030
00:46:17,420 --> 00:46:14,520
the film I made in 1995 is the film that

1031
00:46:20,359 --> 00:46:17,430
he released as real yeah and it's the

1032
00:46:22,700 --> 00:46:20,369
film that hadn't been restored until he

1033
00:46:27,380 --> 00:46:22,710
said in 2006 there was no mention of

1034
00:46:31,660 --> 00:46:27,390
restoration so so if if he's saying that

1035
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:31,670
the film was restored in 1995 okay

1036
00:46:38,030 --> 00:46:36,510
here's a big problem for him okay when

1037
00:46:41,900 --> 00:46:38,040
did he say he took possession of the

1038
00:46:43,730 --> 00:46:41,910
film because he didn't say he had it in

1039
00:46:46,190 --> 00:46:43,740
1993 he didn't deliver it did he he said

1040
00:46:48,500 --> 00:46:46,200
he spoke to you Phil yes he didn't have

1041
00:46:50,569 --> 00:46:48,510
it he didn't have it so when did he have

1042
00:46:54,290 --> 00:46:50,579
it he had it the first time you saw the

1043
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:54,300
first one which was in 1995 yeah

1044
00:47:01,730 --> 00:46:59,040
ok sir so these experts that had to do

1045
00:47:03,970 --> 00:47:01,740
this monumental amount of work which

1046
00:47:06,530 --> 00:47:03,980
would have taken two three five years

1047
00:47:09,230 --> 00:47:06,540
you can't just do this in 10 seconds

1048
00:47:13,059 --> 00:47:09,240
it's a big job now right how did they do

1049
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:13,069
it in a month or a couple of weeks I

1050
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:15,930
don't I don't think even if that was

1051
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:20,400
true spirit she could do it . i know for

1052
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:22,770
a fact you can i mean i have a friend of

1053
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:24,210
mine who's worked all his life in

1054
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:25,680
special effects and i told him that

1055
00:47:34,730 --> 00:47:31,920
story and he just laughed yeah for game

1056
00:47:37,849 --> 00:47:34,740
yes we'll come we'll come to Collinwood

1057
00:47:39,620 --> 00:47:37,859
and recent events in a few minutes i

1058
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:39,630
just wanted to say you know being a

1059
00:47:45,410 --> 00:47:42,210
photographer i know when i shoot a

1060
00:47:46,849 --> 00:47:45,420
wedding i can do anything from two to

1061
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:46,859
three three and a half thousand

1062
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:50,130
photographs and it takes me at least

1063
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:52,170
five to six weeks to go through every

1064
00:47:55,970 --> 00:47:53,970
single one of them images and then

1065
00:47:58,130 --> 00:47:55,980
decide which ones am going to give so if

1066
00:48:03,440 --> 00:47:58,140
you multiply that by 24 frames a second

1067
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:03,450
yeah in several years work okay but he

1068
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:05,490
delivered this film straight after he

1069
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:09,599
received it from the cameraman so so if

1070
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:13,440
it deteriorated like he says okay well

1071
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:14,250
this video

1072
00:48:19,070 --> 00:48:16,650
that he came from the film was was due

1073
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:19,080
to hasn't deteriorated it's what he

1074
00:48:26,570 --> 00:48:22,530
supposedly took off the film that then

1075
00:48:28,580 --> 00:48:26,580
lends the the argument to the debris

1076
00:48:31,609 --> 00:48:28,590
footage being cleaned that what the copy

1077
00:48:34,370 --> 00:48:31,619
that I've got is clean and the copy sent

1078
00:48:37,099 --> 00:48:34,380
ilium released and hasn't got has about

1079
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:37,109
a clean version the argument that that

1080
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:39,359
footage was cleaned up is also not

1081
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:42,720
possible I've sent you Chris on facebook

1082
00:48:48,260 --> 00:48:45,450
messenger I've sent you a copy of the

1083
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:48,270
label for the tape from them from the

1084
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:51,599
lab and I've also sent you a still of

1085
00:48:58,460 --> 00:48:55,200
race Antilles version and my version and

1086
00:49:00,020 --> 00:48:58,470
you see the difference in clarity and as

1087
00:49:01,490 --> 00:49:00,030
somebody knows about can confirm they're

1088
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:01,500
here now I've got yeah yeah but you can

1089
00:49:04,820 --> 00:49:03,119
see though from the quality you can't

1090
00:49:08,780 --> 00:49:04,830
create quality from the right hand

1091
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:08,790
picture the detail to the left hand

1092
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:11,490
picture now if you can you'd have to

1093
00:49:16,730 --> 00:49:14,880
paint it in by hand but then you'd have

1094
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:16,740
to do it 24 times every time every for

1095
00:49:21,950 --> 00:49:18,810
every second and move with movement of

1096
00:49:24,410 --> 00:49:21,960
the camera it's um even with today even

1097
00:49:26,690 --> 00:49:24,420
with today's model digital imaging

1098
00:49:28,700 --> 00:49:26,700
systems it would still take a hell of a

1099
00:49:32,750 --> 00:49:28,710
long time to do if you could do it at

1100
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:32,760
all absolutely it can't be done but I'm

1101
00:49:38,270 --> 00:49:34,650
just saying if it was done it would be a

1102
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:38,280
stupid amount of money right and guess

1103
00:49:42,220 --> 00:49:39,200
what

1104
00:49:45,380 --> 00:49:42,230
Santilli has admitted that the fleet the

1105
00:49:48,650 --> 00:49:45,390
debris footage is fake he did a show

1106
00:49:49,700 --> 00:49:48,660
with Eamonn Holmes and he admitted and

1107
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:49,710
he caught it he caught it

1108
00:49:55,849 --> 00:49:53,040
artistic license and he showed bits of

1109
00:49:59,690 --> 00:49:55,859
the debris that was in the film in his

1110
00:50:01,640 --> 00:49:59,700
boot of his car okay so we can dismiss

1111
00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:01,650
the debris footage as faked

1112
00:50:06,260 --> 00:50:03,510
now let's go back to the beginning of

1113
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:06,270
the show we we accepted a 10-footer was

1114
00:50:10,430 --> 00:50:08,400
fake we accepted that he positions it as

1115
00:50:12,829 --> 00:50:10,440
real and we also accepted that he

1116
00:50:14,599 --> 00:50:12,839
accepted his fake so he's now been

1117
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:14,609
caught in the shop again with a broken

1118
00:50:20,810 --> 00:50:17,010
window with a debris footage because he

1119
00:50:22,609 --> 00:50:20,820
admitted that's fake too okay so now

1120
00:50:25,900 --> 00:50:22,619
we've got two films that same Tilly's

1121
00:50:28,039 --> 00:50:25,910
put up and said are real that are not

1122
00:50:30,169 --> 00:50:28,049
now the important part of the

1123
00:50:32,569 --> 00:50:30,179
the brief footage is that it was

1124
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:32,579
parceled up with the alien autopsy

1125
00:50:39,999 --> 00:50:37,890
footage and not removed okay when the

1126
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:40,009
tent footage was discovered to be fake

1127
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:44,130
Santilli very quickly removed it and Fox

1128
00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:47,249
had to remove it from their program so

1129
00:50:52,459 --> 00:50:50,609
if you look at fact or fiction you will

1130
00:50:54,859 --> 00:50:52,469
see there is no tent footage in it

1131
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:54,869
that's correct okay and it because it

1132
00:50:59,089 --> 00:50:56,400
was the it was removed immediately

1133
00:51:01,009 --> 00:50:59,099
because he had no reason he couldn't

1134
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:01,019
know he couldn't justify it being there

1135
00:51:07,849 --> 00:51:04,170
so why didn't he remove the debris

1136
00:51:09,799 --> 00:51:07,859
footage that he knew was fake he had to

1137
00:51:11,929 --> 00:51:09,809
know it was fake because he's admitted

1138
00:51:12,859 --> 00:51:11,939
it's fake now and he called it artistic

1139
00:51:16,579 --> 00:51:12,869
license

1140
00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:16,589
though so he knew that that was fake -

1141
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:19,049
but he didn't remove it he got paid

1142
00:51:25,759 --> 00:51:22,640
thank you very much and knew it was fake

1143
00:51:29,630 --> 00:51:25,769
he hasn't told us that the brief footage

1144
00:51:32,269 --> 00:51:29,640
is a restoration he hasn't told us it's

1145
00:51:34,370 --> 00:51:32,279
a recreation sold us it's a fake film he

1146
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:34,380
showed us the food the bits that were in

1147
00:51:40,519 --> 00:51:37,170
it and was smiling and giggling with

1148
00:51:43,219 --> 00:51:40,529
with Eamonn Holmes and with shoe Field

1149
00:51:46,219 --> 00:51:43,229
on film it's on the internet if you look

1150
00:51:47,660 --> 00:51:46,229
for it so is that the second take now we

1151
00:51:50,319 --> 00:51:47,670
found him in a shot with a broken window

1152
00:51:53,359 --> 00:51:50,329
right it has to be

1153
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:53,369
sounds like an obituary he's done in

1154
00:51:59,269 --> 00:51:56,400
twice now right he's done it twice and

1155
00:52:01,699 --> 00:51:59,279
now let's move on to the autopsy okay

1156
00:52:03,769 --> 00:52:01,709
he's done it three times now he's not

1157
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:03,779
admitting to the autopsy because he

1158
00:52:07,939 --> 00:52:05,729
calls it a restoration but when you

1159
00:52:11,059 --> 00:52:07,949
scratch the surface of that what his

1160
00:52:13,189 --> 00:52:11,069
meaning is he's saying we'll just like

1161
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,199
the Sistine Chapel they just painted

1162
00:52:17,959 --> 00:52:15,599
over the top and painted it again but we

1163
00:52:21,439 --> 00:52:17,969
just recreated the footage and filmed it

1164
00:52:24,469 --> 00:52:21,449
again that's not the film is it it's a

1165
00:52:27,890 --> 00:52:24,479
it's a recreation so it's a fake isn't

1166
00:52:28,910 --> 00:52:27,900
it so it's yeah look so all three are

1167
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:28,920
fakes

1168
00:52:35,329 --> 00:52:32,249
there is no real film now let's let's

1169
00:52:38,479 --> 00:52:35,339
now say that he's less except that he

1170
00:52:41,299 --> 00:52:38,489
had all has two or three frames or six

1171
00:52:41,900 --> 00:52:41,309
frame that were genuine footage that's

1172
00:52:45,980 --> 00:52:41,910
what he said

1173
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:45,990
right he can't show him to us he hasn't

1174
00:52:53,859 --> 00:52:48,930
shown anyone they can't be tested they

1175
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:53,869
don't exist but if he says he had them

1176
00:53:01,579 --> 00:52:56,640
shall I just be very generous and say

1177
00:53:04,819 --> 00:53:01,589
what if Ray had a real genuine alien

1178
00:53:07,549 --> 00:53:04,829
autopsy of some foot some dodgy frames

1179
00:53:09,380 --> 00:53:07,559
and you know how does that impact the

1180
00:53:11,569 --> 00:53:09,390
alien autopsy the film that we all know

1181
00:53:13,069 --> 00:53:11,579
and love well the reality is it doesn't

1182
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:13,079
affect it at all because they're not

1183
00:53:19,250 --> 00:53:16,170
associated so even if he did have

1184
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:19,260
genuine film it does not impact on the

1185
00:53:22,250 --> 00:53:21,210
film that he released it doesn't change

1186
00:53:24,650 --> 00:53:22,260
my position

1187
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:24,660
it doesn't change John's position and

1188
00:53:31,099 --> 00:53:26,400
doesn't paint change the fact that

1189
00:53:33,500 --> 00:53:31,109
sentence old it is real so even if if we

1190
00:53:34,910 --> 00:53:33,510
go along like Moulton Howe and a number

1191
00:53:36,770 --> 00:53:34,920
of people are saying there wasn't it

1192
00:53:40,039 --> 00:53:36,780
there must have been a real film because

1193
00:53:42,109 --> 00:53:40,049
kit Green that we are then if we would

1194
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:42,119
need to tell the listeners who keep

1195
00:53:49,250 --> 00:53:45,170
green is but there's been a leaked

1196
00:53:51,380 --> 00:53:49,260
supposedly CI CI a letter that says that

1197
00:53:54,500 --> 00:53:51,390
a film was it would be briefed on an

1198
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:54,510
alien autopsy film that's just hearsay

1199
00:54:01,339 --> 00:53:57,599
there's no there's no proof that letters

1200
00:54:03,890 --> 00:54:01,349
real and came from kit green but let's

1201
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:03,900
just for people who don't know the name

1202
00:54:10,190 --> 00:54:06,720
is Christopher Kane Chris is a medical

1203
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:10,200
doctor PhD and he says he was briefed

1204
00:54:15,890 --> 00:54:13,410
three on three different times during

1205
00:54:19,549 --> 00:54:15,900
and after his tenure at the CIA on

1206
00:54:22,970 --> 00:54:19,559
topics relevant to UFOs and the Roswell

1207
00:54:26,029 --> 00:54:22,980
incident early autopsy and yeah he

1208
00:54:29,329 --> 00:54:26,039
actually confirmed that Santilli alien

1209
00:54:31,849 --> 00:54:29,339
autopsy film stroke video it's real the

1210
00:54:34,370 --> 00:54:31,859
alien cadaver is real and the cadaver

1211
00:54:36,980 --> 00:54:34,380
scene in the film video is the same as

1212
00:54:40,130 --> 00:54:36,990
the photos kit saw at the Pentagon

1213
00:54:44,779 --> 00:54:40,140
during briefings mr. Mallory come on now

1214
00:54:47,660 --> 00:54:44,789
you've been gone up a very simple

1215
00:54:50,299 --> 00:54:47,670
question okay is this a document that

1216
00:54:53,710 --> 00:54:50,309
somebody just got and reading from it or

1217
00:54:55,890 --> 00:54:53,720
did they speak to mr. green

1218
00:54:57,809 --> 00:54:55,900
because mr. green is not said

1219
00:55:00,960 --> 00:54:57,819
in publicly at all we've not seen or

1220
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:00,970
heard of him at all I'm not saying he

1221
00:55:06,029 --> 00:55:02,890
doesn't exist I'm saying he exists I'm

1222
00:55:09,269 --> 00:55:06,039
saying I don't think he said that and I

1223
00:55:13,380 --> 00:55:09,279
what I can say is the documents in

1224
00:55:16,769 --> 00:55:13,390
question it was a memorandum to us

1225
00:55:21,180 --> 00:55:16,779
billionaire Brooks Bigelow and and it's

1226
00:55:23,789 --> 00:55:21,190
dated 2001 now in 2001 Bigelow I had an

1227
00:55:26,220 --> 00:55:23,799
organization called Nate's National

1228
00:55:28,589 --> 00:55:26,230
Institute of Discovery Science it was

1229
00:55:31,079 --> 00:55:28,599
supposedly looking into UFOs and so on

1230
00:55:36,170 --> 00:55:31,089
he had a number of people working for

1231
00:55:41,279 --> 00:55:36,180
him doctor helped put off Tom Keller

1232
00:55:45,569 --> 00:55:41,289
Eric Davis Nick green and so on and this

1233
00:55:48,539 --> 00:55:45,579
is claimed to be a basically a photocopy

1234
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:48,549
of correspondence that was exchanged

1235
00:55:52,349 --> 00:55:50,650
between them it's emails basically yeah

1236
00:55:55,500 --> 00:55:52,359
but they've been printed out and

1237
00:55:56,579 --> 00:55:55,510
photocopied can I just corrected Phil

1238
00:55:58,680 --> 00:55:56,589
it's not emails

1239
00:56:01,109 --> 00:55:58,690
it's photocopies of what looks like

1240
00:56:06,059 --> 00:56:01,119
emails yeah yeah that's important

1241
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:06,069
yes as he was talking now kick green

1242
00:56:09,660 --> 00:56:08,319
he's still alive but to the best of my

1243
00:56:12,990 --> 00:56:09,670
knowledge he's not yet gone on the

1244
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:13,000
record and said X Y Zed it so they're

1245
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:14,770
still open to question let's put it that

1246
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:16,960
way I'm gonna put my neck on the line

1247
00:56:24,210 --> 00:56:20,170
and say to you categorically right I I

1248
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:24,220
will predict that he will if he comes

1249
00:56:29,970 --> 00:56:28,089
forward he will say I didn't say this is

1250
00:56:32,460 --> 00:56:29,980
exactly the same as a film that I

1251
00:56:35,460 --> 00:56:32,470
because he may have been debriefed and

1252
00:56:37,260 --> 00:56:35,470
talked about a alien autopsy that's how

1253
00:56:39,839 --> 00:56:37,270
we got the idea we heard that they could

1254
00:56:42,029 --> 00:56:39,849
have been an alien autopsy so what if

1255
00:56:43,769 --> 00:56:42,039
there was I'm not saying there wasn't

1256
00:56:45,660 --> 00:56:43,779
just because I made a fake one doesn't

1257
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:45,670
mean say there isn't a real one no no

1258
00:56:51,089 --> 00:56:48,210
I'm the way I have looked at me I'm not

1259
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:51,099
what I was sent these documents a couple

1260
00:56:55,740 --> 00:56:53,410
of weeks ago for obvious reasons because

1261
00:56:59,099 --> 00:56:55,750
of my involvement I like what I've said

1262
00:57:01,650 --> 00:56:59,109
is the documents may well be authentic I

1263
00:57:06,620 --> 00:57:01,660
don't know whether they are or not but I

1264
00:57:08,579 --> 00:57:06,630
can guarantee 100% the kick grain

1265
00:57:09,420 --> 00:57:08,589
according to what is written in these

1266
00:57:12,750 --> 00:57:09,430
documents

1267
00:57:16,620 --> 00:57:12,760
we've seen an alien autopsy back in the

1268
00:57:19,049 --> 00:57:16,630
1980s I believe what this which was

1269
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:19,059
exactly the same as the one you made

1270
00:57:23,010 --> 00:57:22,569
which is impossible it's as simple as

1271
00:57:28,109 --> 00:57:23,020
that

1272
00:57:30,329 --> 00:57:28,119
validity of the actual written documents

1273
00:57:32,670 --> 00:57:30,339
it just says that what he's being

1274
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:32,680
claimed there is just not possible

1275
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:36,400
yes but that's why I I question the

1276
00:57:40,319 --> 00:57:39,040
validity because I know for a fact he

1277
00:57:44,250 --> 00:57:40,329
couldn't have seen it it could just

1278
00:57:48,420 --> 00:57:44,260
simply couldn't seen it good having said

1279
00:57:50,940 --> 00:57:48,430
that you know in my book I have

1280
00:57:54,829 --> 00:57:50,950
information and I've interviewed people

1281
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:54,839
yes again some of whom were you know

1282
00:58:00,109 --> 00:57:57,490
fairly well qualified to comment it were

1283
00:58:03,809 --> 00:58:00,119
claimed that they had also seen either

1284
00:58:06,750 --> 00:58:03,819
the exact same film as yours or in one

1285
00:58:09,569 --> 00:58:06,760
instance a lady who lived in Florida an

1286
00:58:12,410 --> 00:58:09,579
award-winning documentary filmmaker not

1287
00:58:16,109 --> 00:58:12,420
nonetheless said she saw the actual

1288
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:16,119
creatures alive you know in in them

1289
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:19,450
wherever in the 1990s complete with

1290
00:58:27,690 --> 00:58:22,720
pot-bellied muscular torso and six

1291
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:27,700
fingers and six toes which of course I'm

1292
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:29,770
not saying the line all I'm saying

1293
00:58:34,410 --> 00:58:32,880
well I would I would say perhaps

1294
00:58:38,039 --> 00:58:34,420
confabulating which she's slightly

1295
00:58:40,620 --> 00:58:38,049
different but my argument is that none

1296
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:40,630
of these people who claimed this ever

1297
00:58:48,900 --> 00:58:46,210
went on the record prior to 1995 even

1298
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:48,910
with this even with this memo to Bigelow

1299
00:58:55,049 --> 00:58:52,960
is dated 2001 they're all after the

1300
00:58:56,099 --> 00:58:55,059
alien autopsy film was shown in public

1301
00:58:59,160 --> 00:58:56,109
yes

1302
00:59:00,990 --> 00:58:59,170
simple as that they may say oh I saw I

1303
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:01,000
saw it on a military base back in the

1304
00:59:06,450 --> 00:59:03,970
60s were you telling me that now yes yes

1305
00:59:09,150 --> 00:59:06,460
yes but why don't you come forward in

1306
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:09,160
the 1960 there you go so that's that's

1307
00:59:15,630 --> 00:59:12,250
that's you know and of course I would

1308
00:59:17,010 --> 00:59:15,640
say that it's confabulation out you know

1309
00:59:20,250 --> 00:59:17,020
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt

1310
00:59:23,490 --> 00:59:20,260
but it simply cannot be unless they had

1311
00:59:28,810 --> 00:59:23,500
a time machine you know

1312
00:59:31,110 --> 00:59:28,820
it cannot be yeah yeah absolutely so so

1313
00:59:35,860 --> 00:59:31,120
I thought I don't say something else

1314
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:35,870
we've got the situation where sorry

1315
00:59:44,380 --> 00:59:37,930
someone's trying to throw me okay

1316
00:59:46,870 --> 00:59:44,390
we've got Humphries telling kiveat that

1317
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:46,880
he made it and when kiveat wanted more

1318
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:48,170
information he said you have to speak to

1319
00:59:52,330 --> 00:59:49,850
Spiros that's correct

1320
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:52,340
Spiros mr. burrows his name was lodged

1321
00:59:58,600 --> 00:59:55,010
with caveats right at the beginning not

1322
01:00:01,210 --> 00:59:58,610
2006 well right from him several several

1323
01:00:03,670 --> 01:00:01,220
years before that yes because because

1324
01:00:05,790 --> 01:00:03,680
some people have been saying well you

1325
01:00:09,550 --> 01:00:05,800
know I wasn't put into the picture until

1326
01:00:11,950 --> 01:00:09,560
2006 by the men in black so so my name

1327
01:00:14,380 --> 01:00:11,960
would came up many many years ago right

1328
01:00:16,930 --> 01:00:14,390
near at the time it was made the next

1329
01:00:20,650 --> 01:00:16,940
thing we know is that Humphries has put

1330
01:00:22,900 --> 01:00:20,660
me in the picture Santilli also put me

1331
01:00:25,900 --> 01:00:22,910
in the picture in in a couple of places

1332
01:00:28,210 --> 01:00:25,910
shoe field and Santini have both

1333
01:00:31,210 --> 01:00:28,220
admitted that this film was created in

1334
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:31,220
Camden yes we know that for a fact

1335
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:34,160
Gareth's has also stated he was involved

1336
01:00:39,250 --> 01:00:36,770
in the making of this Gareth Watson who

1337
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:39,260
was the guy behind the window in the in

1338
01:00:46,060 --> 01:00:42,650
the autopsy he's admitted that he was it

1339
01:00:48,580 --> 01:00:46,070
was him and he's in it Greg Simmons who

1340
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:48,590
was my part at a time and also very

1341
01:00:53,710 --> 01:00:51,530
involved in the whole thing he hasn't

1342
01:00:55,510 --> 01:00:53,720
come on public but I've got a statement

1343
01:00:57,790 --> 01:00:55,520
from him from my book that he's given me

1344
01:00:58,860 --> 01:00:57,800
along with pictures of his hands and all

1345
01:01:01,330 --> 01:00:58,870
the other things that people want to see

1346
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:01,340
he played the soldier in the debris

1347
01:01:08,830 --> 01:01:05,090
footage but he was also in the very

1348
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:08,840
faith first film film that you saw it

1349
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:11,690
was Greg who was the nurse because there

1350
01:01:15,790 --> 01:01:13,610
was no woman in the first right yeah

1351
01:01:19,060 --> 01:01:15,800
there was no woman yeah now Greg was

1352
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:19,070
supposed to be the assistant and he's

1353
01:01:23,950 --> 01:01:21,050
got asthma and you can't breathe in the

1354
01:01:25,660 --> 01:01:23,960
in the in the suits and he had a hard

1355
01:01:27,130 --> 01:01:25,670
time with it and he said I can't carry

1356
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:27,140
on I'm feeling faint I'm gonna faint

1357
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:30,770
and my girlfriend who was there took

1358
01:01:36,819 --> 01:01:33,290
over and she became the nurse in the

1359
01:01:38,499 --> 01:01:36,829
second one so so Greg was a

1360
01:01:42,449 --> 01:01:38,509
of all very deeply and obviously his

1361
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:42,459
testimony is quite crucial but we've got

1362
01:01:48,549 --> 01:01:45,170
Humphreys Santilli shoe field Gareth

1363
01:01:50,979 --> 01:01:48,559
that what's an me Greg Simmons all

1364
01:01:54,009 --> 01:01:50,989
saying that we were involved in making

1365
01:01:59,109 --> 01:01:54,019
this film okay but one person it's not

1366
01:02:01,150 --> 01:01:59,119
just me it's a lot of people and now

1367
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:01,160
we've got a situation we've got Santilli

1368
01:02:06,029 --> 01:02:03,170
saying that there was a group of experts

1369
01:02:08,109 --> 01:02:06,039
in this latest comment is made who have

1370
01:02:11,380 --> 01:02:08,119
ret of when they called it rested

1371
01:02:14,410 --> 01:02:11,390
restored the film okay so what they

1372
01:02:17,739 --> 01:02:14,420
actually says the film is a restoration

1373
01:02:21,039 --> 01:02:17,749
of original footage and undertaken we've

1374
01:02:23,499 --> 01:02:21,049
great expertise by extremely talented

1375
01:02:25,779 --> 01:02:23,509
and experienced individuals

1376
01:02:28,209 --> 01:02:25,789
now I'm presuming he's talking about you

1377
01:02:30,309 --> 01:02:28,219
well it has to be but yeah absolutely

1378
01:02:32,910 --> 01:02:30,319
because because what he's done he's

1379
01:02:35,559 --> 01:02:32,920
muddied the waters by saying restoration

1380
01:02:40,989 --> 01:02:35,569
right what he should be saying is

1381
01:02:42,849 --> 01:02:40,999
recreation okay so my I took took him to

1382
01:02:45,789 --> 01:02:42,859
task because he actually said in another

1383
01:02:48,430 --> 01:02:45,799
statement he said I'm not going to

1384
01:02:51,579 --> 01:02:48,440
concentrate on the Fanta cysts who say

1385
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:51,589
they made the film right and that got me

1386
01:02:57,609 --> 01:02:54,890
upset Fanta cysts you know so I said -

1387
01:03:01,239 --> 01:02:57,619
are you serious as it's in you know

1388
01:03:03,249 --> 01:03:01,249
you're calling me a fantasies you know I

1389
01:03:05,140 --> 01:03:03,259
made it how can you do having you call

1390
01:03:07,719 --> 01:03:05,150
it and keep a straight face and he said

1391
01:03:10,900 --> 01:03:07,729
well if you choose to be parceled up

1392
01:03:15,489 --> 01:03:10,910
with Keith Bateman and the others that's

1393
01:03:17,439 --> 01:03:15,499
your choice battles his reply so what

1394
01:03:19,809 --> 01:03:17,449
he's saying is that Keith Bateman and

1395
01:03:21,609 --> 01:03:19,819
attempt footage are the fantasies who

1396
01:03:24,099 --> 01:03:21,619
say they made it he's trying to distance

1397
01:03:27,699 --> 01:03:24,109
me from them and and he's not talking

1398
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:27,709
about my film so so the way that he's

1399
01:03:32,650 --> 01:03:30,650
playing it is doublespeak you know it's

1400
01:03:33,789 --> 01:03:32,660
it's kind of we'll call it the alien

1401
01:03:34,959 --> 01:03:33,799
autopsy but we don't know which one

1402
01:03:36,430 --> 01:03:34,969
we're talking about we'll call it a

1403
01:03:38,829 --> 01:03:36,440
recreation and that means the

1404
01:03:40,870 --> 01:03:38,839
restoration of sorry a restoration not a

1405
01:03:43,089 --> 01:03:40,880
recreation but it really means it's just

1406
01:03:43,719 --> 01:03:43,099
muddying the waters enough to confuse

1407
01:03:48,849 --> 01:03:43,729
people

1408
01:03:50,660 --> 01:03:48,859
so somebody out there please who is in

1409
01:03:53,210 --> 01:03:50,670
touch with Santilli I know a few

1410
01:03:55,700 --> 01:03:53,220
researchers have said that he's giving

1411
01:03:58,220 --> 01:03:55,710
you the time of day please ask him to

1412
01:04:01,670 --> 01:03:58,230
name the experts that restored the film

1413
01:04:04,490 --> 01:04:01,680
there's no reason not to absolutely none

1414
01:04:05,750 --> 01:04:04,500
it can't be Ken they're absolutely

1415
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:05,760
knowledge so first thing your first

1416
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:07,290
question that you ask because because

1417
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:08,970
it's got to be a team out there that's

1418
01:04:13,340 --> 01:04:11,010
done this and restored it if that's what

1419
01:04:15,020 --> 01:04:13,350
he what he's claiming is that somebody

1420
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:15,030
sat down there and restored frame by

1421
01:04:19,670 --> 01:04:17,610
frame which is what he sounds like he's

1422
01:04:22,070 --> 01:04:19,680
saying but if you scratch it a bit

1423
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:22,080
further and you go back to the Eamonn

1424
01:04:28,460 --> 01:04:24,450
Holmes program you will hear him say

1425
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:28,470
that they they restored it by recreating

1426
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:32,640
it okay so they they took the images

1427
01:04:39,170 --> 01:04:35,370
they saw and they free filmed it to

1428
01:04:42,020 --> 01:04:39,180
match well that falls down on a number

1429
01:04:45,410 --> 01:04:42,030
of counts he hasn't got any original

1430
01:04:49,010 --> 01:04:45,420
film to show us so so that's just you

1431
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:49,020
can't accept as evidence so so the

1432
01:04:53,420 --> 01:04:51,210
images that are in the film that aren't

1433
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:53,430
real and that's every frame by the way

1434
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:55,650
every single frame in my film that have

1435
01:04:59,630 --> 01:04:57,810
released everybody can go online and

1436
01:05:03,470 --> 01:04:59,640
check me out and look at the film on my

1437
01:05:06,050 --> 01:05:03,480
on my YouTube every single frame is my

1438
01:05:07,820 --> 01:05:06,060
footage and he's saying that there's

1439
01:05:10,370 --> 01:05:07,830
something in there there's real how how

1440
01:05:12,590 --> 01:05:10,380
why would you somebody must have put it

1441
01:05:15,140 --> 01:05:12,600
in there let's have a name let's talk to

1442
01:05:18,620 --> 01:05:15,150
the person that did that because that's

1443
01:05:19,610 --> 01:05:18,630
a very easy conversation so - Colin yeah

1444
01:05:20,900 --> 01:05:19,620
I can I scoops

1445
01:05:22,750 --> 01:05:20,910
sorry spirits I've just thought of

1446
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:22,760
something can I ask you a question and

1447
01:05:29,780 --> 01:05:27,410
when you connect two pieces of film

1448
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:29,790
isn't there a spice land isn't there

1449
01:05:34,220 --> 01:05:31,170
isn't the something that you can

1450
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:34,230
actually where they're actually during

1451
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:35,970
it or maybe even glued together I'm

1452
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:41,970
thinking old 15 an eight millimeter yeah

1453
01:05:47,300 --> 01:05:44,370
it is called a splice there's two ways

1454
01:05:50,180 --> 01:05:47,310
of splicing a film the first the first

1455
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:50,190
way is you rub off the celluloid on it

1456
01:05:54,740 --> 01:05:52,530
on half a frame or a frame depending on

1457
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:54,750
where the sprocket holes are and you

1458
01:05:59,720 --> 01:05:57,330
just scrape off the solenoid so you've

1459
01:06:03,890 --> 01:05:59,730
got a clean piece of film and then you

1460
01:06:04,700 --> 01:06:03,900
add a bit of cement a bit of blue and

1461
01:06:06,980 --> 01:06:04,710
then you put the

1462
01:06:08,780 --> 01:06:06,990
other piece you're joining on on top and

1463
01:06:10,849 --> 01:06:08,790
it melts one into the other

1464
01:06:13,220 --> 01:06:10,859
now what that does it creates a step

1465
01:06:16,609 --> 01:06:13,230
where one films darts and never once

1466
01:06:19,370 --> 01:06:16,619
finishes okay and that's a proximately a

1467
01:06:21,950 --> 01:06:19,380
frame I have I have been successful in

1468
01:06:23,390 --> 01:06:21,960
creating a slice of lesson a frame but

1469
01:06:26,030 --> 01:06:23,400
only when the sprocket holes allow you

1470
01:06:31,460 --> 01:06:26,040
so so that's the first way you can

1471
01:06:33,049 --> 01:06:31,470
splice later they invented a piece of

1472
01:06:35,450 --> 01:06:33,059
cellophane that's thicker sticky

1473
01:06:38,420 --> 01:06:35,460
cellophane so you what you do is you put

1474
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:38,430
the you but the film up to itself on on

1475
01:06:42,349 --> 01:06:39,930
a little machine that lines up the

1476
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:42,359
sprockets and it sits on the cellophane

1477
01:06:46,940 --> 01:06:44,490
they're sticky and then you fold it over

1478
01:06:48,799 --> 01:06:46,950
so it's like a bit of sellotape if you

1479
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:48,809
like with sprocket holes in it yeah and

1480
01:06:54,170 --> 01:06:51,410
it splices so you don't have the step

1481
01:06:56,089 --> 01:06:54,180
okay you have one join up to the other

1482
01:06:59,450 --> 01:06:56,099
but you've got a bit of plastic you know

1483
01:07:02,359 --> 01:06:59,460
stuck on top yeah so they're the two

1484
01:07:04,670 --> 01:07:02,369
ways of splicing but the reason I ask

1485
01:07:06,349 --> 01:07:04,680
that is because obviously if that has

1486
01:07:08,650 --> 01:07:06,359
happened either of those descriptions

1487
01:07:11,299 --> 01:07:08,660
that you've just you've gone through and

1488
01:07:13,609 --> 01:07:11,309
surely there would be evidence on the on

1489
01:07:16,670 --> 01:07:13,619
the original film footage of the spot

1490
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:16,680
doesn't work in effect work out it's not

1491
01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:19,130
there exactly exactly

1492
01:07:24,500 --> 01:07:22,319
but the thing is I edited the film all

1493
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:24,510
right so I know I know every single

1494
01:07:27,829 --> 01:07:26,250
frame of edited I know if and if it was

1495
01:07:29,630 --> 01:07:27,839
there were if there were any original

1496
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:29,640
friends in there I'd know where they

1497
01:07:35,930 --> 01:07:32,010
were but if I didn't he's telling you

1498
01:07:37,460 --> 01:07:35,940
that I didn't edit it okay some other

1499
01:07:40,190 --> 01:07:37,470
people did it well then those people

1500
01:07:42,170 --> 01:07:40,200
would know where the real frames are I

1501
01:07:44,030 --> 01:07:42,180
mean they would be able to direct us to

1502
01:07:45,859 --> 01:07:44,040
them and say well they're here they're

1503
01:07:47,990 --> 01:07:45,869
three seconds in there four minutes in

1504
01:07:49,069 --> 01:07:48,000
and two second two frames but they'll be

1505
01:07:51,020 --> 01:07:49,079
able to tell us where they are because

1506
01:07:55,069 --> 01:07:51,030
an editor knows where everything or the

1507
01:07:57,740 --> 01:07:55,079
edits are so by naming that person who

1508
01:07:59,450 --> 01:07:57,750
edited it we can determined now he did

1509
01:08:03,470 --> 01:07:59,460
say there was a guy at Canon video

1510
01:08:05,690 --> 01:08:03,480
remember this Vil I do may yes yeah look

1511
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:05,700
he reckoned that he's the guy the guy

1512
01:08:13,910 --> 01:08:10,410
Canon video his name now it was Frank

1513
01:08:15,890 --> 01:08:13,920
Salas that's it Francis Frank fellas

1514
01:08:18,110 --> 01:08:15,900
knew nothing about this and he said I've

1515
01:08:19,940 --> 01:08:18,120
caught I called him and he said

1516
01:08:21,830 --> 01:08:19,950
have to ask miss entity for permission

1517
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:21,840
to speak to you and I said when I'm not

1518
01:08:25,820 --> 01:08:23,250
asking for any inside information I'm

1519
01:08:27,710 --> 01:08:25,830
just asking did you edit any he said I

1520
01:08:31,220 --> 01:08:27,720
didn't edit anything I just duplicated

1521
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:31,230
it so he didn't do any editing he just

1522
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:34,050
did the VHS duplications and some some

1523
01:08:39,140 --> 01:08:37,530
beta duplications you know just took he

1524
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:39,150
just took the master and made copies

1525
01:08:45,350 --> 01:08:42,570
so certainly told us he edited it so if

1526
01:08:49,190 --> 01:08:45,360
he didn't edit it well who did he just

1527
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:49,200
needs to give us a name so there's lots

1528
01:08:53,900 --> 01:08:51,090
and lots of questions that Santilli is

1529
01:08:56,900 --> 01:08:53,910
not answering he went quiet for a very

1530
01:08:59,180 --> 01:08:56,910
long time and he's now resurfaced

1531
01:09:00,680 --> 01:08:59,190
because of these CIA papers because he

1532
01:09:03,230 --> 01:09:00,690
can see a but to be made you know he's

1533
01:09:06,350 --> 01:09:03,240
he's he thinks he's got another bite of

1534
01:09:08,900 --> 01:09:06,360
the cherry well you're you're absolutely

1535
01:09:10,910 --> 01:09:08,910
right that he you know he has resurfaced

1536
01:09:13,430 --> 01:09:10,920
because we mentioned calling Wolford

1537
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:13,440
earlier yes myself Oh Philip you know

1538
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:15,810
the interviewer previously and all about

1539
01:09:21,770 --> 01:09:19,290
this subject and there was a post on

1540
01:09:24,650 --> 01:09:21,780
Facebook by calling Wolford which I'm

1541
01:09:29,180 --> 01:09:24,660
going to read statement given to me by

1542
01:09:33,010 --> 01:09:29,190
recentlly on February 15th and 2019

1543
01:09:35,780 --> 01:09:33,020
intended for use at Uwe for Megacon 2017

1544
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:35,790
and this is in quotations after Marvin

1545
01:09:40,540 --> 01:09:38,400
23 is living with the subject I still

1546
01:09:43,130 --> 01:09:40,550
maintain that the alien autopsy film I

1547
01:09:45,590 --> 01:09:43,140
marketed was not a hoax and that the

1548
01:09:47,330 --> 01:09:45,600
film is a restoration of original

1549
01:09:49,820 --> 01:09:47,340
footage and undertaken with great

1550
01:09:52,730 --> 01:09:49,830
expertise by extremely talented and

1551
01:09:55,370 --> 01:09:52,740
experienced individuals the film is a

1552
01:09:58,910 --> 01:09:55,380
remarkable testament to a unique event

1553
01:10:02,500 --> 01:09:58,920
in 1947 and the skills of the team used

1554
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:02,510
to restore the film recentlly yeah now

1555
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:07,290
Wolford goes on and you know I mean

1556
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:10,320
become account like in 2006 and 2019

1557
01:10:15,380 --> 01:10:12,810
here you guys the Wolford states that

1558
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:15,390
the footage is real and rare and his

1559
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:18,090
team were threatened and made to change

1560
01:10:24,590 --> 01:10:20,930
their story to it being a recreation in

1561
01:10:27,170 --> 01:10:24,600
2006 first questions yes for us was you

1562
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:27,180
ever found never never would neither was

1563
01:10:31,470 --> 01:10:28,770
right I'll tell you what happened I

1564
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:31,480
remember this I was yesterday

1565
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:34,810
ray did have a break in his offices in

1566
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:39,610
Belkin Street and nothing was taken they

1567
01:10:44,190 --> 01:10:40,930
would roll the film there there was

1568
01:10:48,450 --> 01:10:44,200
because we did by original 1947 film of

1569
01:10:49,740 --> 01:10:48,460
baseball games and newsreels and stuff

1570
01:10:51,690 --> 01:10:49,750
like that because we needed some

1571
01:10:55,140 --> 01:10:51,700
thoughts for some blank film that was

1572
01:10:58,140 --> 01:10:55,150
would genuinely date 247 so we can get a

1573
01:11:00,240 --> 01:10:58,150
date for it and so those wrote those

1574
01:11:02,670 --> 01:11:00,250
tins were in the room nobody went into

1575
01:11:05,580 --> 01:11:02,680
to steal any film nothing was taken and

1576
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:05,590
I remember going in and his office was

1577
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:07,570
all over the place you know they've gone

1578
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:09,130
in and it didn't even take a computer

1579
01:11:14,490 --> 01:11:10,330
they didn't find anything they could

1580
01:11:17,570 --> 01:11:14,500
take easily and Ray use that as a Men in

1581
01:11:21,630 --> 01:11:17,580
Black raided his office very convenient

1582
01:11:23,340 --> 01:11:21,640
and and Wolford has bought it and the

1583
01:11:25,590 --> 01:11:23,350
reason he bought it is because reg

1584
01:11:29,430 --> 01:11:25,600
Presley was told it and reg Presley

1585
01:11:33,450 --> 01:11:29,440
reported it yeah it happened there I

1586
01:11:35,610 --> 01:11:33,460
wanted to of that sorry you know there

1587
01:11:38,550 --> 01:11:35,620
was no there was no been in black raid

1588
01:11:41,940 --> 01:11:38,560
or whatever but it's he's been if he's

1589
01:11:45,390 --> 01:11:41,950
been threatened why is he saying that

1590
01:11:46,410 --> 01:11:45,400
the film is real and bla bla bla

1591
01:11:49,229 --> 01:11:46,420
isn't that what they're threatening not

1592
01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:49,239
to say yeah exactly

1593
01:11:53,310 --> 01:11:51,280
but I would have far as you were on the

1594
01:11:55,010 --> 01:11:53,320
team and Santilli has said you were on

1595
01:11:57,690 --> 01:11:55,020
the team more or less in so many ways

1596
01:12:00,780 --> 01:11:57,700
yet why was it you threatened you know

1597
01:12:03,090 --> 01:12:00,790
but Wolford carries on the canisters

1598
01:12:06,450 --> 01:12:03,100
were confiscated including those with

1599
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:06,460
Truman on the first autopsy seen by a

1600
01:12:12,060 --> 01:12:09,010
few researchers filmed by the cameraman

1601
01:12:13,979 --> 01:12:12,070
went mysteriously missing some stills

1602
01:12:18,540 --> 01:12:13,989
are available he says now because we

1603
01:12:20,550 --> 01:12:18,550
know that that didn't exist anyway he

1604
01:12:24,690 --> 01:12:20,560
told everybody he told everybody that's

1605
01:12:27,270 --> 01:12:24,700
the volca had it right so it carries on

1606
01:12:29,670 --> 01:12:27,280
this was why rear could never offer any

1607
01:12:32,370 --> 01:12:29,680
samples for testing other than those

1608
01:12:34,890 --> 01:12:32,380
given by Bob shell which was accurate

1609
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:34,900
and indeed indicating 1947

1610
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:36,489
now I remember speaking with you yeah

1611
01:12:40,220 --> 01:12:38,650
and Philip about this when we

1612
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:40,230
interviewed before Christmas last year

1613
01:12:44,919 --> 01:12:42,610
didn't he didn't wasn't actually said

1614
01:12:47,020 --> 01:12:44,929
that the piece of film was

1615
01:12:51,340 --> 01:12:47,030
over a piece of film and somebody's hand

1616
01:12:52,750 --> 01:12:51,350
yeah very good point here I made this

1617
01:12:56,110 --> 01:12:52,760
point the other day but I'm gonna do it

1618
01:13:00,430 --> 01:12:56,120
again now okay if you've got genuine

1619
01:13:03,370 --> 01:13:00,440
film and you've got Bob shell they're

1620
01:13:06,399 --> 01:13:03,380
wanting to test it why would you not

1621
01:13:09,010 --> 01:13:06,409
give it to him what I just interrupt

1622
01:13:12,610 --> 01:13:09,020
yeah but those are not aware Bob's shell

1623
01:13:15,610 --> 01:13:12,620
was the editor of the photographic

1624
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:15,620
magazine shutterbug which was the second

1625
01:13:18,820 --> 01:13:17,330
biggest selling magazine of its kind in

1626
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:18,830
the world I believed and was somewhat of

1627
01:13:26,020 --> 01:13:22,730
an expert in cameras yes yeah fine films

1628
01:13:29,140 --> 01:13:26,030
yeah so bombshell wanted to test it and

1629
01:13:31,330 --> 01:13:29,150
Ray gave him some films and some film to

1630
01:13:34,149 --> 01:13:31,340
test but it didn't have any image on it

1631
01:13:36,189 --> 01:13:34,159
it was film leaders films became from

1632
01:13:38,890 --> 01:13:36,199
the baseball game I mentioned earlier

1633
01:13:43,060 --> 01:13:38,900
okay yeah and the way that we did it was

1634
01:13:45,790 --> 01:13:43,070
we spliced it to the film I shot in 1995

1635
01:13:48,550 --> 01:13:45,800
and we put a little bit of leader on it

1636
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:48,560
from the original 1947 film of the

1637
01:13:53,050 --> 01:13:50,449
baseball game with a little bit of

1638
01:13:55,770 --> 01:13:53,060
leader of actual film so the leader the

1639
01:13:58,540 --> 01:13:55,780
leader film is white okay it's a plastic

1640
01:14:00,070 --> 01:13:58,550
white leader that has nothing on it was

1641
01:14:02,350 --> 01:14:00,080
never shot it's just a it's just

1642
01:14:04,540 --> 01:14:02,360
something the wind to wind on to the

1643
01:14:05,890 --> 01:14:04,550
projector before the film starts okay

1644
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:05,900
see you don't wanna be winding on the

1645
01:14:10,090 --> 01:14:07,730
film and miss it you know see you wind

1646
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:10,100
on a bit of white then after that it was

1647
01:14:15,820 --> 01:14:14,210
blank film shot on the floor ground

1648
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:15,830
footage and stuff like that no no

1649
01:14:21,490 --> 01:14:18,290
special images on it a venice' and and

1650
01:14:25,149 --> 01:14:21,500
that's what was used so he got a piece

1651
01:14:28,300 --> 01:14:25,159
of film that had markings on it for 1947

1652
01:14:32,110 --> 01:14:28,310
and the celluloid makeup of a film for

1653
01:14:35,950 --> 01:14:32,120
1947 but no images of an alien on it so

1654
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:35,960
why would you not give Bob shell or

1655
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:40,370
Kodak images when you had them this is

1656
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:43,010
the most monumental film of mankind if

1657
01:14:47,050 --> 01:14:45,050
it was real why would you not want to

1658
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:47,060
cement it there and then and be done

1659
01:14:55,090 --> 01:14:50,050
with it and half right he didn't do that

1660
01:14:58,509 --> 01:14:55,100
the other thing that materialized is Bob

1661
01:15:02,169 --> 01:14:58,519
shell in his testimony

1662
01:15:04,660 --> 01:15:02,179
tells us there was no image no alien

1663
01:15:08,049 --> 01:15:04,670
image and that's the most important

1664
01:15:10,060 --> 01:15:08,059
thing because nobody including the

1665
01:15:13,810 --> 01:15:10,070
people that have tested film has seen

1666
01:15:15,879 --> 01:15:13,820
image with sort of film with image the

1667
01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:15,889
only film he's produced that has image

1668
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:19,760
has been between plastic blocks inside a

1669
01:15:26,379 --> 01:15:24,170
you know a molded plastic blocks and

1670
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:26,389
nobody I've seen them I've seen them in

1671
01:15:31,779 --> 01:15:28,489
person you can't actually test that

1672
01:15:33,009 --> 01:15:31,789
right but that's the 1995 film he's put

1673
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:33,019
in there they don't know the difference

1674
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:35,449
you can't see what it is the other thing

1675
01:15:41,290 --> 01:15:37,570
that he did was he would show people

1676
01:15:43,089 --> 01:15:41,300
canisters that are genuinely 1914

1677
01:15:45,939 --> 01:15:43,099
forties canisters but they came from

1678
01:15:48,100 --> 01:15:45,949
genuine 1947 others fit other films now

1679
01:15:50,709 --> 01:15:48,110
I've got one here Spiros yes they gave

1680
01:15:55,649 --> 01:15:50,719
me why would sent Tilly give you that

1681
01:16:01,600 --> 01:15:55,659
right Phil why would right give you that

1682
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:01,610
this is the most people I know insane

1683
01:16:06,459 --> 01:16:04,210
you he sent me with a piece of film

1684
01:16:08,049 --> 01:16:06,469
allegedly for tests you know and I've

1685
01:16:08,470 --> 01:16:08,059
still got the frame of film zoom in

1686
01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:08,480
there

1687
01:16:12,850 --> 01:16:10,249
yeah and it's actually got a sailor on

1688
01:16:18,669 --> 01:16:12,860
it yeah there's a man with a sailor's

1689
01:16:21,279 --> 01:16:18,679
hat on it yeah it's just ridiculous but

1690
01:16:23,620 --> 01:16:21,289
but again we we've established the man

1691
01:16:25,750 --> 01:16:23,630
will put up a film that isn't real and

1692
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:25,760
pretend it is we've done it not once not

1693
01:16:31,810 --> 01:16:29,690
twice right three times so I think it's

1694
01:16:34,930 --> 01:16:31,820
safe to say with all that with all the

1695
01:16:35,620 --> 01:16:34,940
information we do have that in his own

1696
01:16:40,049 --> 01:16:35,630
words

1697
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:40,059
this film was recreated at best at best

1698
01:16:47,879 --> 01:16:43,130
so so the fact that I made this film

1699
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:47,889
isn't being contested by Santelli is it

1700
01:16:52,870 --> 01:16:50,570
doesn't appear no it's it doesn't appear

1701
01:16:55,299 --> 01:16:52,880
to me at all now what I want to do the

1702
01:16:56,529 --> 01:16:55,309
air spirits now is I just want to talk a

1703
01:16:57,970 --> 01:16:56,539
little bit about calling Wolford a

1704
01:16:59,979 --> 01:16:57,980
little bit more some of his his

1705
01:17:04,149 --> 01:16:59,989
accusations that you know against you

1706
01:17:05,620 --> 01:17:04,159
said really and as I just mentioned it's

1707
01:17:08,529 --> 01:17:05,630
just you know mentioned why rear could

1708
01:17:10,689 --> 01:17:08,539
never offer any samples etc etc Bob

1709
01:17:11,830 --> 01:17:10,699
shell I've just mentioned it talks about

1710
01:17:14,410 --> 01:17:11,840
John um yes

1711
01:17:16,930 --> 01:17:14,420
and it says John Humphrys had no

1712
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:16,940
involvement over than making a poor copy

1713
01:17:23,710 --> 01:17:21,290
of the being for the 2006 and decade

1714
01:17:25,660 --> 01:17:23,720
disinformation film alien autopsy I

1715
01:17:27,190 --> 01:17:25,670
would it sails to disinformation film

1716
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:27,200
out see it was a bloody good comedy to

1717
01:17:33,490 --> 01:17:28,850
get quite honest with you when you see

1718
01:17:35,050 --> 01:17:33,500
our things you know okay I can I can I

1719
01:17:37,510 --> 01:17:35,060
can I just into jelly I'll tell you how

1720
01:17:40,090 --> 01:17:37,520
we found out about John Humphries if I

1721
01:17:43,090 --> 01:17:40,100
may and was contacted on email by a chap

1722
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:43,100
called Simon and it went backwards and

1723
01:17:48,580 --> 01:17:46,130
forwards on email and this Simon he

1724
01:17:50,980 --> 01:17:48,590
basically asked because I had had a an

1725
01:17:53,050 --> 01:17:50,990
article in UFO magazine and he'd seen it

1726
01:17:55,630 --> 01:17:53,060
I don't know what year this was 2000 or

1727
01:17:58,240 --> 01:17:55,640
whatever and he said I didn't know there

1728
01:18:01,390 --> 01:17:58,250
was any interest still in the alien

1729
01:18:02,620 --> 01:18:01,400
autopsy film I said yeah that is so we

1730
01:18:05,470 --> 01:18:02,630
exchanged the email to give me his

1731
01:18:08,380 --> 01:18:05,480
mobile phone number and I'm we arranged

1732
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:08,390
to meet and we actually met in a cafe

1733
01:18:13,270 --> 01:18:11,090
that he suggested in Manchester of all

1734
01:18:17,170 --> 01:18:13,280
places and I was there with a colleague

1735
01:18:19,870 --> 01:18:17,180
of mine called Tim Mathews and he told

1736
01:18:22,390 --> 01:18:19,880
us that he was representing the man who

1737
01:18:25,090 --> 01:18:22,400
actually made the dummies for Ray

1738
01:18:27,460 --> 01:18:25,100
Santilli now it wouldn't tell us his

1739
01:18:29,050 --> 01:18:27,470
name but he said you know what

1740
01:18:32,980 --> 01:18:29,060
television be interested in I said

1741
01:18:34,990 --> 01:18:32,990
perhaps but he did let slip that the

1742
01:18:40,180 --> 01:18:35,000
Manning who we were looking for actually

1743
01:18:42,670 --> 01:18:40,190
made Max Headroom this channel for

1744
01:18:45,460 --> 01:18:42,680
talking head thing yes so we managed to

1745
01:18:47,890 --> 01:18:45,470
find out that this demanding question

1746
01:18:49,630 --> 01:18:47,900
was John Humphries and one of the

1747
01:18:51,910 --> 01:18:49,640
reasons we were unable to find John

1748
01:18:54,580 --> 01:18:51,920
previously as Spiros told you earlier on

1749
01:18:58,660 --> 01:18:54,590
John isn't technically a special-effects

1750
01:19:01,990 --> 01:18:58,670
artist is a sculptor whose work has

1751
01:19:03,820 --> 01:19:02,000
overlapped into the film and TV world so

1752
01:19:05,530 --> 01:19:03,830
we were hunting when I say we mainly

1753
01:19:08,620 --> 01:19:05,540
make you hunting around all the special

1754
01:19:09,670 --> 01:19:08,630
effects at this and I interviewed loads

1755
01:19:11,380 --> 01:19:09,680
of them split us and they said oh it

1756
01:19:13,210 --> 01:19:11,390
looks like so-and-so's work give me

1757
01:19:14,500 --> 01:19:13,220
solace or drink so and so up they said

1758
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:14,510
no or not maybe but it might be him and

1759
01:19:19,990 --> 01:19:16,250
I just went round in circles and found

1760
01:19:23,710 --> 01:19:20,000
no one so what I did I put this chap in

1761
01:19:26,020 --> 01:19:23,720
Chow in Compton in contact with Bob

1762
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:26,030
Cavia yes because it seemed obvious

1763
01:19:31,029 --> 01:19:28,250
Bob had made alien autopsy fact or

1764
01:19:33,250 --> 01:19:31,039
fiction Bob then spoke to both John

1765
01:19:35,020 --> 01:19:33,260
Handy's is representative of wherever

1766
01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:35,030
the heck that was and that's when John

1767
01:19:40,180 --> 01:19:37,760
said you know when it was being pursued

1768
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:40,190
by Bobby said well it's it's really

1769
01:19:46,839 --> 01:19:43,130
Spiros you should be talking to but we

1770
01:19:50,350 --> 01:19:46,849
had no second name it was Spiros so

1771
01:19:53,470 --> 01:19:50,360
that's how John John Humphrys name came

1772
01:19:57,310 --> 01:19:53,480
into the you know into the public so to

1773
01:19:59,470 --> 01:19:57,320
speak yeah sorry sorry carry on okay the

1774
01:20:01,629 --> 01:19:59,480
question about the John Humphrys thing

1775
01:20:03,459 --> 01:20:01,639
coming in in 2006 because that's very

1776
01:20:06,459 --> 01:20:03,469
easy I have actually proven this to

1777
01:20:09,399 --> 01:20:06,469
Warford but he has a selectively a

1778
01:20:11,470 --> 01:20:09,409
selective process he doesn't want to

1779
01:20:13,299 --> 01:20:11,480
listen to stuff that's any evidence you

1780
01:20:15,700 --> 01:20:13,309
know you if he gets evidence he just

1781
01:20:19,149 --> 01:20:15,710
says oh yeah but this well here's the

1782
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:19,159
thing right I've shown him photos of

1783
01:20:29,529 --> 01:20:24,530
John with myself and Santilli in 1995

1784
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:29,539
all of us with hair and young okay okay

1785
01:20:35,500 --> 01:20:31,250
sorry for laughing about like that

1786
01:20:38,950 --> 01:20:35,510
comment about and young okay so that

1787
01:20:41,919 --> 01:20:38,960
firmly cements that Santilli and John

1788
01:20:44,020 --> 01:20:41,929
and myself knew each other well enough

1789
01:20:47,410 --> 01:20:44,030
to be socializing we were we were at a

1790
01:20:52,979 --> 01:20:47,420
party together next thing I said I

1791
01:21:01,660 --> 01:20:52,989
showed him was John working on the alien

1792
01:21:03,250 --> 01:21:01,670
mold with hair right sorry on it's

1793
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:03,260
important because he has about here now

1794
01:21:08,620 --> 01:21:06,770
so in 2006 he didn't have hair okay so

1795
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:08,630
he couldn't have been inserted in

1796
01:21:17,169 --> 01:21:12,530
nineteen 2006 when hit there he is a

1797
01:21:22,020 --> 01:21:17,179
young John in 1995 mold one sculpting

1798
01:21:25,089 --> 01:21:22,030
the alien 2 molding the alien and three

1799
01:21:28,060 --> 01:21:25,099
molding his son who was the basis of the

1800
01:21:30,669 --> 01:21:28,070
alien these photos these photos exist

1801
01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:30,679
can I interrupt his well here scoffs yes

1802
01:21:36,549 --> 01:21:33,440
what we found out about the ant and Dec

1803
01:21:38,919 --> 01:21:36,559
film be made quite by chance yeah and I

1804
01:21:39,790 --> 01:21:38,929
contacted the production company here in

1805
01:21:43,180 --> 01:21:39,800
the UK which is

1806
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:43,190
worthy films yes and I just had a casual

1807
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:44,810
conversation with him and you really

1808
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:48,410
didn't ask them any fetching questions

1809
01:21:52,870 --> 01:21:50,810
if you like I didn't put all them and I

1810
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:52,880
got talking to one of their executives a

1811
01:21:57,820 --> 01:21:55,970
lady yeah and you know obviously they

1812
01:22:00,070 --> 01:21:57,830
couldn't say so much and I just dropped

1813
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:00,080
a little question in one day so I

1814
01:22:05,020 --> 01:22:02,570
understand you can't tell me the plot

1815
01:22:08,290 --> 01:22:05,030
and then me and so on just one thing I'm

1816
01:22:12,130 --> 01:22:08,300
curious about who is doing your special

1817
01:22:15,490 --> 01:22:12,140
effects for you and she said it's John

1818
01:22:17,910 --> 01:22:15,500
Humphrys he's made the dummies for us

1819
01:22:24,660 --> 01:22:17,920
and he also made them for Ray Santilli

1820
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:27,430
yeah well what I'm going to do gentleman

1821
01:22:33,010 --> 01:22:29,330
no I'm just gonna I want to move on a

1822
01:22:35,850 --> 01:22:33,020
little bit make your point and then I'm

1823
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:38,860
stake in the ground John Humphrys did it

1824
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:41,210
meet Santilli until after the alien

1825
01:22:46,570 --> 01:22:43,970
autopsy was made so the comment that the

1826
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:46,580
claim that he made them for Ray Santilli

1827
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:50,570
is factually incorrect John what John

1828
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:54,170
works for me John was paid by me and he

1829
01:22:59,200 --> 01:22:55,690
made them for me

1830
01:23:04,930 --> 01:22:59,210
John met Ray Santilli after the event

1831
01:23:08,140 --> 01:23:04,940
after the creatures were made okay okay

1832
01:23:10,480 --> 01:23:08,150
now Wolfer goes on to basically say you

1833
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:10,490
know and obviously there's no point in

1834
01:23:13,390 --> 01:23:12,290
discussing it really because I think

1835
01:23:16,060 --> 01:23:13,400
with all the evidence you brought

1836
01:23:18,460 --> 01:23:16,070
forward you know to to fight your corner

1837
01:23:20,890 --> 01:23:18,470
there's no doubt in my mind anyway that

1838
01:23:23,980 --> 01:23:20,900
you wear him out he says you had no role

1839
01:23:25,660 --> 01:23:23,990
in creating the said yes Peter and

1840
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:25,670
forgive my pronunciation Peter

1841
01:23:31,270 --> 01:23:28,250
everyone knew my brother that's your

1842
01:23:33,310 --> 01:23:31,280
brother yet no rule another Gareth

1843
01:23:35,650 --> 01:23:33,320
Watson is not the surgeon beyond

1844
01:23:37,990 --> 01:23:35,660
although he now we had an article in our

1845
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:38,000
limits magazine kindly provided by

1846
01:23:43,420 --> 01:23:40,370
Philip several issues ago and now which

1847
01:23:45,970 --> 01:23:43,430
I may actually reissue again and it

1848
01:23:48,580 --> 01:23:45,980
actually shows with very very good

1849
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:48,590
probability 99.9 percent in my

1850
01:23:52,620 --> 01:23:51,650
estimation that Gareth Watson is indeed

1851
01:23:56,189 --> 01:23:52,630
the person

1852
01:23:59,359 --> 01:23:56,199
and so he says it was not the surgeon

1853
01:24:02,879 --> 01:23:59,369
Gregg Simmons is not the soldier and

1854
01:24:04,020 --> 01:24:02,889
georgina Artemis gammak please forgive

1855
01:24:06,660 --> 01:24:04,030
my pronunciation

1856
01:24:08,490 --> 01:24:06,670
I would suggest doesn't even exist and

1857
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:08,500
if she does we'll never come forward

1858
01:24:14,930 --> 01:24:11,530
what she comments on very quickly

1859
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:14,940
Gareth no chickie Tyler okay here we go

1860
01:24:20,250 --> 01:24:17,170
Gareth has admitted that it was him

1861
01:24:23,250 --> 01:24:20,260
behind the the pane of glass Ray

1862
01:24:26,310 --> 01:24:23,260
Santilli brought him to the show with

1863
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:26,320
Eamonn Holmes as the person behind the

1864
01:24:32,189 --> 01:24:30,130
glass I've had people look at the the

1865
01:24:35,069 --> 01:24:32,199
eyes and the what-have-you and it's him

1866
01:24:36,689 --> 01:24:35,079
okay it's a younger him obviously but it

1867
01:24:39,569 --> 01:24:36,699
definitely is if so many people have

1868
01:24:42,419 --> 01:24:39,579
said is him including himself okay so no

1869
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:42,429
reason to say it's me if it isn't now

1870
01:24:49,050 --> 01:24:45,010
why would you bring him into the fold at

1871
01:24:51,689 --> 01:24:49,060
all if it wasn't him do you see my

1872
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:51,699
saying why go there nobody's asking you

1873
01:24:55,950 --> 01:24:54,489
about him nobody's asking you know is it

1874
01:24:58,470 --> 01:24:55,960
Gareth water and they can well who is it

1875
01:25:00,419 --> 01:24:58,480
was there's no one you know it so it's

1876
01:25:03,689 --> 01:25:00,429
you know if it's a genuine film it we

1877
01:25:07,319 --> 01:25:03,699
it'll be somebody from Roswell but if it

1878
01:25:09,839 --> 01:25:07,329
was a recreation which it is there's no

1879
01:25:12,149 --> 01:25:09,849
reason not to name the person and guess

1880
01:25:13,770 --> 01:25:12,159
what character said he's he was the

1881
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:13,780
person and no one else has stood up and

1882
01:25:19,290 --> 01:25:17,650
said it no wasn't it was me right no one

1883
01:25:21,510 --> 01:25:19,300
who stood up and said that's a lie

1884
01:25:23,250 --> 01:25:21,520
so that who else is there - you've got

1885
01:25:26,819 --> 01:25:23,260
to take it at face value right there go

1886
01:25:29,189 --> 01:25:26,829
anyway Gareth is the guy John was

1887
01:25:30,660 --> 01:25:29,199
involved I proved that I'm gonna sing

1888
01:25:32,250 --> 01:25:30,670
I'm sending you all the photos of the

1889
01:25:34,740 --> 01:25:32,260
stuff I'm talking about by the way if

1890
01:25:37,050 --> 01:25:34,750
you want to put them anywhere so you've

1891
01:25:38,850 --> 01:25:37,060
got you got the back up so John with

1892
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:38,860
John with hair me with hair all the rest

1893
01:25:45,830 --> 01:25:42,489
of it the other thing is yeah he's right

1894
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:45,840
the the the Artemis woman doesn't exist

1895
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:48,610
it's a made-up name and the reason it's

1896
01:25:53,729 --> 01:25:50,290
a made-up name it says my ex-girlfriend

1897
01:25:55,410 --> 01:25:53,739
and she doesn't want to be named okay

1898
01:25:57,569 --> 01:25:55,420
and we've respected that in fact

1899
01:26:00,510 --> 01:25:57,579
Santilli respected it - nobody's ever

1900
01:26:01,950 --> 01:26:00,520
mayne - right but with all the above all

1901
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:01,960
the fuss around this that can completely

1902
01:26:05,580 --> 01:26:03,489
understand why she's right want to keep

1903
01:26:06,180 --> 01:26:05,590
on she's good she's a very very she's in

1904
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:06,190
good standing

1905
01:26:09,660 --> 01:26:08,290
sheesh use of a government position she

1906
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:09,670
doesn't want to be associated this she

1907
01:26:12,420 --> 01:26:10,810
did it for a bit of fun because her

1908
01:26:13,979 --> 01:26:12,430
boyfriend was doing it and she didn't

1909
01:26:14,610 --> 01:26:13,989
for a second think Holden he's gonna go

1910
01:26:15,990 --> 01:26:14,620
mental

1911
01:26:17,370 --> 01:26:16,000
it's gonna go around the world and it's

1912
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:17,380
gonna be all sorts of people knocking at

1913
01:26:22,709 --> 01:26:20,050
a door you know so that's why he didn't

1914
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:22,719
want to be known people have gone to

1915
01:26:26,189 --> 01:26:24,610
where she lives in the square that she

1916
01:26:28,380 --> 01:26:26,199
lives and doesn't know what house it is

1917
01:26:30,689 --> 01:26:28,390
but you know they know it was shot in

1918
01:26:34,050 --> 01:26:30,699
Camden everyone admitted that you know

1919
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:34,060
we it's nothing you know but the great

1920
01:26:40,170 --> 01:26:38,010
shooter the Greg Greg Simmons thing

1921
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:40,180
that's an interesting thing because Greg

1922
01:26:46,260 --> 01:26:43,330
lives in Spain now he used to be my

1923
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:46,270
business partner here and he dealt with

1924
01:26:49,950 --> 01:26:48,250
Santilli in terms of finances and

1925
01:26:54,420 --> 01:26:49,960
anything like that because he was also

1926
01:26:56,850 --> 01:26:54,430
my accountant and and I roped him into

1927
01:27:01,050 --> 01:26:56,860
it you know and he's dying out on it you

1928
01:27:03,959 --> 01:27:01,060
know fun it was a fun thing to do but to

1929
01:27:05,550 --> 01:27:03,969
say that he wasn't involved when and the

1930
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:05,560
only reason that Colin Wolford is saying

1931
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:07,930
that is because great just won't give

1932
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:08,650
him the time of day

1933
01:27:13,470 --> 01:27:12,010
he doesn't want boots whim he knows he

1934
01:27:14,490 --> 01:27:13,480
knows he said he said the guy's a nutter

1935
01:27:16,290 --> 01:27:14,500
I don't want to talk to him he's I've

1936
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:16,300
got me mad and I said to him don't

1937
01:27:19,170 --> 01:27:17,890
towards him because I'm holding you back

1938
01:27:21,150 --> 01:27:19,180
for my book and I've got I've got

1939
01:27:24,060 --> 01:27:21,160
statements for him now I've got I've got

1940
01:27:25,740 --> 01:27:24,070
a video interview with him and all sorts

1941
01:27:28,740 --> 01:27:25,750
of stuff so I'm gonna release that as

1942
01:27:30,420 --> 01:27:28,750
part and parcel but all these people

1943
01:27:32,700 --> 01:27:30,430
were involved they all admit they're

1944
01:27:35,070 --> 01:27:32,710
involved Greg will admit if I told him

1945
01:27:36,689 --> 01:27:35,080
to speak to you he would if you want to

1946
01:27:38,700 --> 01:27:36,699
if you want to have a show where we get

1947
01:27:42,060 --> 01:27:38,710
Greg and my cell phone or whatever we do

1948
01:27:43,650 --> 01:27:42,070
that but but it's not gonna talk to the

1949
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:43,660
two more foot why should he you know

1950
01:27:49,350 --> 01:27:46,090
we've seen what wolf is like he's he's

1951
01:27:51,060 --> 01:27:49,360
called me every name under the Sun well

1952
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:51,070
that is that is one thing I want you to

1953
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:53,410
come to because as you know I mentioned

1954
01:27:57,600 --> 01:27:55,690
earlier on that I put up a post on

1955
01:27:59,189 --> 01:27:57,610
Facebook saying basically saying it

1956
01:28:01,709 --> 01:27:59,199
still hurts film bla bla bla

1957
01:28:04,590 --> 01:28:01,719
now at the bottom of that mr. Wolford

1958
01:28:07,170 --> 01:28:04,600
actually put a comment on there where he

1959
01:28:09,740 --> 01:28:07,180
claims to have well I've removed the

1960
01:28:11,340 --> 01:28:09,750
comment because I found it forgive my

1961
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:11,350
intellect here but I don't know

1962
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:13,570
slanderous or libelous remember what

1963
01:28:18,740 --> 01:28:17,290
he's watchin yeah defamation of

1964
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:18,750
character basically was what

1965
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:23,250
was you met some quite I would say foul

1966
01:28:29,740 --> 01:28:25,890
accusations in in that post I mean do

1967
01:28:33,620 --> 01:28:29,750
you want to answer a yes I do okay

1968
01:28:35,810 --> 01:28:33,630
somebody that I can't find out who not

1969
01:28:38,750 --> 01:28:35,820
anonymous person has put a blog up

1970
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:38,760
online and they've written a number of

1971
01:28:42,290 --> 01:28:40,890
half-truths and then they filled up the

1972
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:42,300
filled the blanks with some terrible

1973
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:43,650
horrible things okay

1974
01:28:49,010 --> 01:28:46,530
for example I was sitting in my office

1975
01:28:50,510 --> 01:28:49,020
in my studio one time not realizing I

1976
01:28:51,830 --> 01:28:50,520
was a witness at a court case and I

1977
01:28:55,250 --> 01:28:51,840
didn't turn up okay

1978
01:28:57,890 --> 01:28:55,260
police turned up at my studio mr. Millar

1979
01:29:00,200 --> 01:28:57,900
is yes do you know why we're here I have

1980
01:29:01,700 --> 01:29:00,210
no idea oh we're surprised to see you

1981
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:01,710
here you're supposed to be in court as a

1982
01:29:05,870 --> 01:29:03,690
witness oh really I didn't know that

1983
01:29:08,510 --> 01:29:05,880
yeah and we've been you've been summoned

1984
01:29:10,850 --> 01:29:08,520
to appear and the judges asked us to

1985
01:29:13,070 --> 01:29:10,860
take you into custody until tomorrow

1986
01:29:14,930 --> 01:29:13,080
morning when you've gone up here and I

1987
01:29:16,310 --> 01:29:14,940
said I didn't I didn't know what I

1988
01:29:18,500 --> 01:29:16,320
thought I go to the police station you

1989
01:29:20,090 --> 01:29:18,510
know and they said we're gonna put you

1990
01:29:21,860 --> 01:29:20,100
and put you in a Cell overnight and take

1991
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:21,870
you in it's absolutely necessary I'll

1992
01:29:26,510 --> 01:29:24,210
come I didn't I didn't know yes yes he

1993
01:29:28,130 --> 01:29:26,520
said we won't embarrass you and cuff you

1994
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:28,140
but he said if you just please just go

1995
01:29:32,180 --> 01:29:29,370
straight to the car in the back of the

1996
01:29:34,220 --> 01:29:32,190
car and we'll go on and you can phone a

1997
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:34,230
solicitor from Europe from the car so

1998
01:29:39,140 --> 01:29:36,930
what I did was I phone my girlfriend at

1999
01:29:41,060 --> 01:29:39,150
the time and I said would you please

2000
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:41,070
phone a lawyer I'm being tanked paid

2001
01:29:46,070 --> 01:29:44,010
taken to Pentonville police station and

2002
01:29:48,110 --> 01:29:46,080
I'm being kept until tomorrow to go to

2003
01:29:49,790 --> 01:29:48,120
there's a witness and she and they they

2004
01:29:51,140 --> 01:29:49,800
interrupted and said not pensive the

2005
01:29:55,130 --> 01:29:51,150
police station you're going to

2006
01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:55,140
Pentonville prison and I said what I'm

2007
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:57,210
done anything and he said well that's

2008
01:30:01,040 --> 01:29:58,800
you've you've got to be held overnight

2009
01:30:03,050 --> 01:30:01,050
and it's got to be done properly and

2010
01:30:04,940 --> 01:30:03,060
tomorrow you'll be released but you you

2011
01:30:07,250 --> 01:30:04,950
didn't you're in contempt of court I

2012
01:30:08,660 --> 01:30:07,260
said but it's not my court case is is no

2013
01:30:10,490 --> 01:30:08,670
you're a witness key witness to the

2014
01:30:12,440 --> 01:30:10,500
thing and the judge has said that you're

2015
01:30:14,780 --> 01:30:12,450
in contempt for not turning up and

2016
01:30:16,820 --> 01:30:14,790
that's it so I was taken to Pentonville

2017
01:30:19,940 --> 01:30:16,830
prison imagine this right so I've taken

2018
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:19,950
in and I I've thought must must my

2019
01:30:27,020 --> 01:30:22,770
girlfriend got a lawyer called Andrew

2020
01:30:29,660 --> 01:30:27,030
crossly who was in this blog he was

2021
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:29,670
positioned as my best friend not my best

2022
01:30:35,220 --> 01:30:32,530
friend I used him twice okay

2023
01:30:36,839 --> 01:30:35,230
along and bailed me out right so what

2024
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:36,849
happened was they didn't even put me in

2025
01:30:40,830 --> 01:30:39,250
a cell they put me in the waiting room

2026
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:40,840
and they said we know your lawyers going

2027
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:42,610
to come in a minute and bail you out so

2028
01:30:47,010 --> 01:30:45,250
there's no point taking you through but

2029
01:30:49,950 --> 01:30:47,020
when he comes and gives the assurances

2030
01:30:51,899 --> 01:30:49,960
and everything for bail you'll be free

2031
01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:51,909
to go but we've had to do this is how

2032
01:30:54,450 --> 01:30:52,449
it's done

2033
01:30:57,359 --> 01:30:54,460
so I waited in the in the waiting room

2034
01:30:58,919 --> 01:30:57,369
Crossley turned up bailed me out next

2035
01:31:00,439 --> 01:30:58,929
day he went to the court did my thing

2036
01:31:03,149 --> 01:31:00,449
that was it was the last I heard of it

2037
01:31:05,700 --> 01:31:03,159
positioned in the blog is I went to

2038
01:31:08,209 --> 01:31:05,710
prison well strictly speaking that's

2039
01:31:10,700 --> 01:31:08,219
true isn't it but I wasn't in prison

2040
01:31:13,049 --> 01:31:10,710
right but can you see how it looks

2041
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:13,059
yeah the other thing that he did was he

2042
01:31:19,919 --> 01:31:16,210
said and I ran the largest independent

2043
01:31:22,919 --> 01:31:19,929
TV company studio in the UK

2044
01:31:26,339 --> 01:31:22,929
that was my studio everyone used my

2045
01:31:31,830 --> 01:31:26,349
studio BBC channel for ITV sky named it

2046
01:31:35,669 --> 01:31:31,840
okay and one of the clients I had was a

2047
01:31:38,970 --> 01:31:35,679
telephone company that did adult chat

2048
01:31:40,830 --> 01:31:38,980
lines and they in the evenings they

2049
01:31:44,729 --> 01:31:40,840
would have girls on beds taking phone

2050
01:31:46,709 --> 01:31:44,739
calls from people on Sky TV okay not my

2051
01:31:49,140 --> 01:31:46,719
channels I never owned them

2052
01:31:51,899 --> 01:31:49,150
I wasn't do anything to do with me he

2053
01:31:54,870 --> 01:31:51,909
positioned it that I owned porn channels

2054
01:31:57,870 --> 01:31:54,880
okay all right so can you see that the

2055
01:31:59,669 --> 01:31:57,880
way that it is painted very tainted is

2056
01:32:02,700 --> 01:31:59,679
it makes you sound like I'm I've been in

2057
01:32:05,430 --> 01:32:02,710
prison and anyway so this Andrew Crosley

2058
01:32:07,410 --> 01:32:05,440
that's supposed to be my best friend was

2059
01:32:09,359 --> 01:32:07,420
in I don't know what he did so he did

2060
01:32:10,620 --> 01:32:09,369
something wrong where he constant people

2061
01:32:12,299 --> 01:32:10,630
out of money they know what he did I I

2062
01:32:14,189 --> 01:32:12,309
don't want to put words in intended but

2063
01:32:16,109 --> 01:32:14,199
his mouth well even if it's true I'm not

2064
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:16,119
aware of it I'm not so familiar with

2065
01:32:22,859 --> 01:32:18,730
what happened but he said that he

2066
01:32:25,740 --> 01:32:22,869
defrauded some Greek people out of money

2067
01:32:29,399 --> 01:32:25,750
and he's my best friend

2068
01:32:32,310 --> 01:32:29,409
and therefore I'm somehow involved right

2069
01:32:34,740 --> 01:32:32,320
nothing to do with me I've tried to get

2070
01:32:37,229 --> 01:32:34,750
this blog removed I can't find out who

2071
01:32:39,209 --> 01:32:37,239
put the word up and the blog owners who

2072
01:32:41,069 --> 01:32:39,219
again I can't find who owns them is

2073
01:32:42,540 --> 01:32:41,079
nowhere no there's no link to anybody

2074
01:32:44,759 --> 01:32:42,550
they did write back to me a long time

2075
01:32:46,550 --> 01:32:44,769
ago and they said we don't remove blogs

2076
01:32:50,210 --> 01:32:46,560
whatever goes up stays up

2077
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:50,220
just interrupt eros I mean if even if

2078
01:32:54,650 --> 01:32:52,890
the accusation was true about you

2079
01:33:00,980 --> 01:32:54,660
running pawn channel or pornography is

2080
01:33:02,570 --> 01:33:00,990
not illegal is it no it's casting

2081
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:02,580
aspersions he's trying to damage your

2082
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:03,690
character I know that

2083
01:33:09,700 --> 01:33:06,570
yes similarly I had a very very good

2084
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:09,710
friend who was how can I put it politely

2085
01:33:16,670 --> 01:33:13,410
well a gangster gangster yeah you know

2086
01:33:19,790 --> 01:33:16,680
but he never told me what he was up to

2087
01:33:21,440 --> 01:33:19,800
you know and and he would disappear for

2088
01:33:21,950 --> 01:33:21,450
a while and that meant I knew where he

2089
01:33:26,180 --> 01:33:21,960
was

2090
01:33:27,740 --> 01:33:26,190
yeah you know but I never got involved

2091
01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:27,750
with anything and we would be

2092
01:33:31,250 --> 01:33:29,730
socializing and he'd be talking to

2093
01:33:32,570 --> 01:33:31,260
somebody and I'd say who was that and he

2094
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:32,580
would just say you don't want to know

2095
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:34,290
because I knew I wasn't that way

2096
01:33:38,630 --> 01:33:36,210
inclined and we were very very good

2097
01:33:41,060 --> 01:33:38,640
friends yeah but just because he did

2098
01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:41,070
something unlawful doesn't necessarily

2099
01:33:47,990 --> 01:33:46,410
mean that I did because I didn't you

2100
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:48,000
know I've just got very philosophical

2101
01:33:51,230 --> 01:33:49,290
about it now because the people that

2102
01:33:53,900 --> 01:33:51,240
matter in my life and the people that I

2103
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:53,910
work with oh yeah I was I was declared

2104
01:33:58,910 --> 01:33:55,890
bankrupt apparently you know I went to

2105
01:34:01,670 --> 01:33:58,920
court on one I I beat the official

2106
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:01,680
receiver because there was no bankruptcy

2107
01:34:06,740 --> 01:34:04,170
it wasn't real there was nothing there

2108
01:34:08,630 --> 01:34:06,750
they had no file they had no nothing I

2109
01:34:10,610 --> 01:34:08,640
won that case but when you put it all

2110
01:34:12,980 --> 01:34:10,620
together it's very damaging for me you

2111
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:12,990
know so my bank is happy you know my

2112
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:14,970
lawyers are happy to deal with me my

2113
01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:16,650
friends are still my friends nobody that

2114
01:34:21,530 --> 01:34:19,410
matters cares but it's Colin Wofford

2115
01:34:25,430 --> 01:34:21,540
hasn't got anything else he just wants

2116
01:34:27,500 --> 01:34:25,440
to throw mud and cast aspersions and

2117
01:34:29,810 --> 01:34:27,510
make make me some kind of villain well

2118
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:29,820
that's okay you know because what I've

2119
01:34:34,730 --> 01:34:32,850
done now is I've said okay let's take me

2120
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:34,740
out of the equation let's look at the

2121
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:36,570
film the film is got nothing to do with

2122
01:34:42,590 --> 01:34:39,570
anything right it is or it isn't so if

2123
01:34:44,750 --> 01:34:42,600
it's real show me why it's real and if

2124
01:34:46,430 --> 01:34:44,760
there are if I've got handlers like he

2125
01:34:48,230 --> 01:34:46,440
says I'm being handled by the men in

2126
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:48,240
black and being told what to do and I'm

2127
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:50,730
being paid well then show me some

2128
01:34:54,440 --> 01:34:51,930
evidence because you know what I'd love

2129
01:34:56,350 --> 01:34:54,450
the money you know if that's the case

2130
01:34:59,030 --> 01:34:56,360
that yeah show me the money but I'm not

2131
01:35:00,229 --> 01:34:59,040
sorry Phil go ahead no I mean similar

2132
01:35:01,790 --> 01:35:00,239
accusations have been made

2133
01:35:03,259 --> 01:35:01,800
against me and they can show me the

2134
01:35:08,959 --> 01:35:03,269
money if they wants because I love it

2135
01:35:11,180 --> 01:35:08,969
yeah well if there's any we're going now

2136
01:35:15,290 --> 01:35:11,190
what I was going to say Spiros in your

2137
01:35:17,569 --> 01:35:15,300
defense on the 16th of November 2011 at

2138
01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:17,579
19 minutes past midnight you responded

2139
01:35:19,939 --> 01:35:19,170
to that posts that have been put up on

2140
01:35:22,549 --> 01:35:19,949
that blog

2141
01:35:24,739 --> 01:35:22,559
my name is Spiros malarious I have read

2142
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:24,749
this ridiculous and bogus report which

2143
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:27,210
is loosely based on factual events and

2144
01:35:32,959 --> 01:35:29,690
embellished to create a distorted view

2145
01:35:35,390 --> 01:35:32,969
clearly the writer is not a real person

2146
01:35:38,450 --> 01:35:35,400
and he's hiding behind a smokescreen I

2147
01:35:40,580 --> 01:35:38,460
am here and I'm happy to answer any and

2148
01:35:42,830 --> 01:35:40,590
all questions on this blog and I

2149
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:42,840
challenge mr. Roy Allen to be

2150
01:35:47,930 --> 01:35:44,730
accountable to us the readers of this

2151
01:35:50,959 --> 01:35:47,940
very damaging diatribe and allow that we

2152
01:35:54,020 --> 01:35:50,969
too can question the validity of this

2153
01:35:56,839 --> 01:35:54,030
[\h__\h] he has written if indeed either

2154
01:35:58,370 --> 01:35:56,849
here at all in the event that mr.

2155
01:36:01,009 --> 01:35:58,380
Howland does not communicate in this

2156
01:36:03,259 --> 01:36:01,019
regard I strongly urge any reader to

2157
01:36:06,620 --> 01:36:03,269
disregard his statements as nothing more

2158
01:36:09,259 --> 01:36:06,630
than spin and reckless gossip repeat I

2159
01:36:11,839 --> 01:36:09,269
am here and willing to answer your

2160
01:36:13,819 --> 01:36:11,849
questions is mr. Allen man or woman

2161
01:36:16,189 --> 01:36:13,829
enough to do the same we will see

2162
01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:16,199
spirits malarious so again facing

2163
01:36:23,899 --> 01:36:18,210
straight up twit me and put in the

2164
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:23,909
getting your point yeah the bottom line

2165
01:36:30,049 --> 01:36:27,090
is like Phil says you know if I was

2166
01:36:31,879 --> 01:36:30,059
bankrupt which I wasn't but if I was you

2167
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:31,889
know I've lived I'm not gonna bow stuck

2168
01:36:35,930 --> 01:36:34,170
him on a boat but I've lived in a house

2169
01:36:39,649 --> 01:36:35,940
worth more than a couple of million quid

2170
01:36:41,540 --> 01:36:39,659
for the last 15 years okay different

2171
01:36:43,399 --> 01:36:41,550
houses but that's what that's I've

2172
01:36:44,509 --> 01:36:43,409
driven cars worth hundreds of thousands

2173
01:36:47,540 --> 01:36:44,519
of pounds all the time

2174
01:36:49,790 --> 01:36:47,550
do you realize how you're talking about

2175
01:36:51,109 --> 01:36:49,800
that repeat a million pounds if you move

2176
01:36:56,180 --> 01:36:51,119
up to your tree you're probably getting

2177
01:36:57,799 --> 01:36:56,190
for about 250 well maybe maybe less I'm

2178
01:37:00,319 --> 01:36:57,809
not boasting the point I'm making is a

2179
01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:00,329
bankrupt cannot do that I have had

2180
01:37:04,489 --> 01:37:02,489
credit cards and bank accounts and I've

2181
01:37:08,419 --> 01:37:04,499
been directors of companies the whole

2182
01:37:10,279 --> 01:37:08,429
time this is a if I was bankrupt I else

2183
01:37:13,790 --> 01:37:10,289
it as a legal offense and imprison

2184
01:37:16,670 --> 01:37:13,800
offense by again can I just interrupt

2185
01:37:20,660 --> 01:37:16,680
I can confirm that I've been in your

2186
01:37:25,090 --> 01:37:20,670
house yeah you know and it is exactly

2187
01:37:28,010 --> 01:37:25,100
true what you're saying yeah you know

2188
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:28,020
but here's the thing right I went to

2189
01:37:33,020 --> 01:37:30,570
court and I was because of these

2190
01:37:35,540 --> 01:37:33,030
allegations I was being questioned by

2191
01:37:36,740 --> 01:37:35,550
the official receiver that's because I

2192
01:37:38,720 --> 01:37:36,750
didn't want they wanted this to

2193
01:37:41,420 --> 01:37:38,730
disqualify me from being the company

2194
01:37:43,130 --> 01:37:41,430
director because I was bankrupt and they

2195
01:37:46,070 --> 01:37:43,140
hadn't checked they just went on the

2196
01:37:48,290 --> 01:37:46,080
[\h__\h] right and I just turned up and

2197
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:48,300
I said right I'm here I've had a bank

2198
01:37:53,420 --> 01:37:51,090
account all this time as soon as I heard

2199
01:37:55,340 --> 01:37:53,430
that you thought I was bankrupt I went

2200
01:37:56,180 --> 01:37:55,350
to my bank and I said I know nothing

2201
01:37:58,970 --> 01:37:56,190
about this

2202
01:38:00,740 --> 01:37:58,980
are you comfortable I need you to know

2203
01:38:03,350 --> 01:38:00,750
what's going on because I I was dealing

2204
01:38:05,060 --> 01:38:03,360
my studio at the time I was dealing in

2205
01:38:08,630 --> 01:38:05,070
half a million pounds a month

2206
01:38:10,190 --> 01:38:08,640
so so I couldn't I couldn't be dealing

2207
01:38:12,170 --> 01:38:10,200
that kind of money in a bank a bank

2208
01:38:14,030 --> 01:38:12,180
account where people think I'm fortunate

2209
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:14,040
you know I couldn't be I couldn't be

2210
01:38:17,270 --> 01:38:15,690
doing that so I had to I was working for

2211
01:38:19,940 --> 01:38:17,280
the BBC oh well goodbye

2212
01:38:21,890 --> 01:38:19,950
I couldn't put all those people on the

2213
01:38:24,260 --> 01:38:21,900
top you know so I went straight to the

2214
01:38:25,670 --> 01:38:24,270
bank and I said this is a situation what

2215
01:38:28,100 --> 01:38:25,680
do you want to do and they said let us

2216
01:38:30,440 --> 01:38:28,110
do a couple of searches let us do a

2217
01:38:31,700 --> 01:38:30,450
couple of bits and pieces and and and

2218
01:38:33,470 --> 01:38:31,710
we'll let you know they said we've

2219
01:38:35,750 --> 01:38:33,480
satisfied ourselves if there's nothing

2220
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:35,760
wrong here we're absolutely happy we

2221
01:38:43,100 --> 01:38:38,370
carry on as usual now I was given and

2222
01:38:45,500 --> 01:38:43,110
and and in in the blog that we're

2223
01:38:47,450 --> 01:38:45,510
talking about they talked about ultimate

2224
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:47,460
finance ultimate finance gave me a

2225
01:38:51,260 --> 01:38:49,650
factoring facility of three hundred

2226
01:38:54,440 --> 01:38:51,270
thousand pounds now that fact what it

2227
01:38:54,980 --> 01:38:54,450
means is if if BBC oh me twenty thousand

2228
01:38:57,770 --> 01:38:54,990
pounds

2229
01:39:00,350 --> 01:38:57,780
and they pay sixty days I can give that

2230
01:39:03,050 --> 01:39:00,360
invoice to ultimate finance and they

2231
01:39:04,910 --> 01:39:03,060
will give me part of that money and then

2232
01:39:06,530 --> 01:39:04,920
they will take the invoice from the BBC

2233
01:39:07,790 --> 01:39:06,540
and they take the money from the BBC you

2234
01:39:10,100 --> 01:39:07,800
know take a little commission for that

2235
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:10,110
okay they gave me a limit of three

2236
01:39:15,620 --> 01:39:12,690
hundred thousand pounds to do that and

2237
01:39:18,410 --> 01:39:15,630
on this blog it says ultimate finance

2238
01:39:21,950 --> 01:39:18,420
gave this pawn I care about how the

2239
01:39:24,530 --> 01:39:21,960
wording was but this pawned Lord or

2240
01:39:27,089 --> 01:39:24,540
whatever it was three hundred thousand

2241
01:39:30,419 --> 01:39:27,099
pounds when he was a bankrupt and

2242
01:39:33,120 --> 01:39:30,429
if if if kolesberg made factoring

2243
01:39:35,060 --> 01:39:33,130
facility companies then there will be

2244
01:39:38,339 --> 01:39:35,070
ultimately so I like that nonsense

2245
01:39:41,939 --> 01:39:38,349
complete nonsense anyway anyway be that

2246
01:39:43,950 --> 01:39:41,949
as it may if we if we just go back as a

2247
01:39:46,350 --> 01:39:43,960
step now and say okay all of that's gone

2248
01:39:48,540 --> 01:39:46,360
I'm still here I still got bank accounts

2249
01:39:50,100 --> 01:39:48,550
I still got credit cards are still got

2250
01:39:51,540 --> 01:39:50,110
everything I'm still working I've got

2251
01:39:54,870 --> 01:39:51,550
the studio I sold that I'm still around

2252
01:39:58,080 --> 01:39:54,880
not no problems like that and it doesn't

2253
01:39:59,430 --> 01:39:58,090
matter what what cut Wolford says but he

2254
01:40:00,629 --> 01:39:59,440
okay he'll get has come up and soon

2255
01:40:03,839 --> 01:40:00,639
enough because I'm not going to leave

2256
01:40:06,390 --> 01:40:03,849
this alone it's becoming personal but

2257
01:40:08,910 --> 01:40:06,400
yeah I mean you could just turn around

2258
01:40:09,509 --> 01:40:08,920
and say I'm sorry Spiros you know I just

2259
01:40:11,129 --> 01:40:09,519
don't believe you

2260
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:11,139
that's fair enough and leave it at that

2261
01:40:17,879 --> 01:40:14,530
but darken someone's character is just

2262
01:40:21,330 --> 01:40:17,889
not acceptable no way he's doing it no

2263
01:40:22,529 --> 01:40:21,340
way well I would have just truly anybody

2264
01:40:24,419 --> 01:40:22,539
in the right man would just say I'm

2265
01:40:26,220 --> 01:40:24,429
sorry but I just don't believe you when

2266
01:40:27,899 --> 01:40:26,230
you did you say fair enough because

2267
01:40:29,399 --> 01:40:27,909
somebody said to me why do you believe

2268
01:40:32,729 --> 01:40:29,409
Spiros I said well I don't believe

2269
01:40:35,279 --> 01:40:32,739
Spiros Spiros told me what he claimed

2270
01:40:37,879 --> 01:40:35,289
and I went to his place where he lived

2271
01:40:40,259 --> 01:40:37,889
and he supported that claim with

2272
01:40:42,750 --> 01:40:40,269
documentary evidence so it wasn't a

2273
01:40:44,609 --> 01:40:42,760
question of belief yeah it was a

2274
01:40:46,500 --> 01:40:44,619
question of the facts which he could

2275
01:40:50,850 --> 01:40:46,510
support that's it

2276
01:40:55,020 --> 01:40:50,860
you know it's as simple as that the if

2277
01:40:57,259 --> 01:40:55,030
we if we can move on we've literally got

2278
01:40:59,399 --> 01:40:57,269
about 15 minutes left

2279
01:41:01,649 --> 01:40:59,409
can I can I just say something yes

2280
01:41:03,959 --> 01:41:01,659
regarding your criminal activity

2281
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:03,969
obviously I've seen some of the jokes on

2282
01:41:07,740 --> 01:41:05,650
your Facebook page I mean they are

2283
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:07,750
criminal you really ought to be arrested

2284
01:41:32,790 --> 01:41:17,650
for some other I didn't know my real

2285
01:41:35,069 --> 01:41:32,800
leather cuffs getting was a final little

2286
01:41:37,919 --> 01:41:35,079
job II which is we've got all these

2287
01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:37,929
people that we didn't we named who say

2288
01:41:40,919 --> 01:41:39,489
they were in it they don't have to say I

2289
01:41:43,050 --> 01:41:40,929
was in it

2290
01:41:45,149 --> 01:41:43,060
but they were in it okay so they're in

2291
01:41:47,070 --> 01:41:45,159
the same boat as me I'm I made it they

2292
01:41:48,330 --> 01:41:47,080
were in it okay and I'm telling you they

2293
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:48,340
were in it as well so we've got that

2294
01:41:54,419 --> 01:41:51,370
we've also got no name for sin Tilly's

2295
01:41:57,120 --> 01:41:54,429
film experts okay so so so Tilly's not

2296
01:41:59,880 --> 01:41:57,130
actually providing any evidence

2297
01:42:02,340 --> 01:41:59,890
whatsoever to back his claim no real

2298
01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:02,350
film no experts that renovated it or

2299
01:42:06,300 --> 01:42:04,330
restored it or whatever whatever that

2300
01:42:09,630 --> 01:42:06,310
[\h__\h] is we've got nothing

2301
01:42:12,590 --> 01:42:09,640
okay just we just got a story but we

2302
01:42:15,149 --> 01:42:12,600
have got his admission that it was

2303
01:42:17,939 --> 01:42:15,159
recreated although he uses the wrong

2304
01:42:20,550 --> 01:42:17,949
word we have got that admission and we

2305
01:42:21,720 --> 01:42:20,560
have got the admission that the debris

2306
01:42:24,270 --> 01:42:21,730
footage is fake

2307
01:42:26,310 --> 01:42:24,280
we know it's fake because I've you know

2308
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:26,320
I've shown it I got on talks on the

2309
01:42:34,020 --> 01:42:30,610
subject of them TV i deciphered what the

2310
01:42:38,220 --> 01:42:34,030
small eye beam says okay now I did a

2311
01:42:41,939 --> 01:42:38,230
documentary back in I think it was 96

2312
01:42:43,890 --> 01:42:41,949
and I shot it as if I was just a

2313
01:42:46,290 --> 01:42:43,900
filmmaker making a documentary about

2314
01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:46,300
this film I went to the University of

2315
01:42:52,260 --> 01:42:48,730
London and I spoke to a language expert

2316
01:42:56,130 --> 01:42:52,270
there who wasn't told what this this

2317
01:42:58,470 --> 01:42:56,140
beam was okay the big beam and and he

2318
01:43:00,360 --> 01:42:58,480
was to read to make out what it means

2319
01:43:02,399 --> 01:43:00,370
and I've got a film of him doing it and

2320
01:43:04,410 --> 01:43:02,409
it's online as well and it basically he

2321
01:43:06,510 --> 01:43:04,420
said it says a left area which means

2322
01:43:08,310 --> 01:43:06,520
freedom in Greek but he said it's not

2323
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:08,320
quite Greek it's a little bit stylized

2324
01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:10,330
it's got a kind of you know I wanted to

2325
01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:12,250
be like that I wanted it to be what what

2326
01:43:16,740 --> 01:43:13,810
if it was something before Greek was

2327
01:43:18,750 --> 01:43:16,750
invented maybe Greek became came from

2328
01:43:22,649 --> 01:43:18,760
this you know that was my my fictitious

2329
01:43:24,390 --> 01:43:22,659
thing I wrote a proto Greek yeah and

2330
01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:24,400
kind of make it kind of make it a little

2331
01:43:28,950 --> 01:43:26,770
bit Arabic a little bit you know the

2332
01:43:31,649 --> 01:43:28,960
hieroglyph thing came out from Roswell

2333
01:43:33,660 --> 01:43:31,659
and I thought well I'm gonna go against

2334
01:43:36,630 --> 01:43:33,670
that but I'm gonna keep it in keeping

2335
01:43:39,450 --> 01:43:36,640
his high-beams found and you know but

2336
01:43:42,860 --> 01:43:39,460
it's clearly Greek but the important

2337
01:43:46,709 --> 01:43:42,870
part is that when it was first viewed

2338
01:43:49,110 --> 01:43:46,719
everyone said it says video we should

2339
01:43:51,090 --> 01:43:49,120
did I'm one is it a clever little thing

2340
01:43:53,879 --> 01:43:51,100
I just like [\h__\h] sorry mucking about

2341
01:43:54,780 --> 01:43:53,889
like that with with things if you can

2342
01:43:56,580 --> 01:43:54,790
make things read

2343
01:43:58,410 --> 01:43:56,590
side down and turn em upside down they

2344
01:44:01,350 --> 01:43:58,420
read something else you know so I made

2345
01:44:03,540 --> 01:44:01,360
it say video one side and when you turn

2346
01:44:07,770 --> 01:44:03,550
it over it says allez area using the

2347
01:44:09,930 --> 01:44:07,780
same shakes okay and video was is it

2348
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:09,940
sounds like a modern word doesn't it you

2349
01:44:13,980 --> 01:44:12,010
know you kind of sociate it to a video

2350
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:13,990
cassette and it's not an ancient thing

2351
01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:16,570
but actually is the word video is an

2352
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:19,090
ancient Latin word it was a bit of a bit

2353
01:44:24,210 --> 01:44:22,330
of a red herring everyone was saying oh

2354
01:44:27,180 --> 01:44:24,220
it says video and I'm the one that says

2355
01:44:29,880 --> 01:44:27,190
no it says freedom and this expert has

2356
01:44:32,070 --> 01:44:29,890
confirmed it Colin Wofford has tried to

2357
01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:32,080
tell me the reason that I know that it

2358
01:44:36,930 --> 01:44:35,410
says freedom is cuz this other expert in

2359
01:44:40,170 --> 01:44:36,940
the University of London is the one that

2360
01:44:42,930 --> 01:44:40,180
told me okay so I then put a challenge

2361
01:44:46,590 --> 01:44:42,940
online to say well the small I beam

2362
01:44:49,890 --> 01:44:46,600
nobody's nobody has deciphered that and

2363
01:44:52,590 --> 01:44:49,900
I said I challenge anyone to decipher

2364
01:44:55,260 --> 01:44:52,600
what it says including the guy from the

2365
01:44:57,030 --> 01:44:55,270
University in London anyone just tell me

2366
01:44:59,820 --> 01:44:57,040
what it says and the reason I say that

2367
01:45:01,920 --> 01:44:59,830
is because when I was at the University

2368
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:01,930
of London what you didn't see is the

2369
01:45:05,550 --> 01:45:04,090
stuff we didn't film which was the guy

2370
01:45:07,080 --> 01:45:05,560
was saying what I can't really make had

2371
01:45:10,230 --> 01:45:07,090
a tail of this it's not one thing or

2372
01:45:13,470 --> 01:45:10,240
another and I off camera said to him is

2373
01:45:15,270 --> 01:45:13,480
it possible it says freedom and he said

2374
01:45:17,550 --> 01:45:15,280
well I can see that could be an e yeah

2375
01:45:21,060 --> 01:45:17,560
yeah that could be yeah I can see how

2376
01:45:23,160 --> 01:45:21,070
that can be an L written a little bit

2377
01:45:24,720 --> 01:45:23,170
oddly and I can see right but he

2378
01:45:26,970 --> 01:45:24,730
wouldn't have got there had I not just

2379
01:45:28,890 --> 01:45:26,980
prompted him right and if you look at

2380
01:45:31,020 --> 01:45:28,900
the film he actually says well I can see

2381
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:31,030
how that could be there yeah well yeah

2382
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:32,530
if you squint a little bit that could be

2383
01:45:36,270 --> 01:45:34,330
right that could and he came up with it

2384
01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:36,280
now Warford thinks he came up with it

2385
01:45:41,880 --> 01:45:38,770
first but he didn't manage to decipher

2386
01:45:44,970 --> 01:45:41,890
the second one which says Isis and I am

2387
01:45:46,500 --> 01:45:44,980
the only person that told the world what

2388
01:45:48,990 --> 01:45:46,510
that says okay

2389
01:45:50,760 --> 01:45:49,000
now gave every opportunity to tell me

2390
01:45:52,620 --> 01:45:50,770
what it was and nobody knew I'm the only

2391
01:45:55,020 --> 01:45:52,630
one that knows now that I've said it

2392
01:46:00,420 --> 01:45:55,030
says Isis everyone who can speak Greek

2393
01:46:03,060 --> 01:46:00,430
will go oh yeah right that to me nails

2394
01:46:05,100 --> 01:46:03,070
it okay but not the Warford Wolford

2395
01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:05,110
won't listen to the isis bit he own

2396
01:46:08,700 --> 01:46:06,610
business to the bit that he saw on telly

2397
01:46:11,550 --> 01:46:08,710
the other thing is

2398
01:46:13,500 --> 01:46:11,560
the magic effect hidden into the debris

2399
01:46:16,350 --> 01:46:13,510
footage with the control panels yeah I

2400
01:46:17,790 --> 01:46:16,360
know this is yeah now I did that the

2401
01:46:20,340 --> 01:46:17,800
magic circle brought the house down when

2402
01:46:21,959 --> 01:46:20,350
I when I told them what that is they're

2403
01:46:25,290 --> 01:46:21,969
magicians are very aware of this

2404
01:46:27,420 --> 01:46:25,300
illusion okay and no one saw it and it

2405
01:46:28,830 --> 01:46:27,430
wasn't until I til I pointed it out they

2406
01:46:29,459 --> 01:46:28,840
they all laughed and thought it was

2407
01:46:32,820 --> 01:46:29,469
hilarious

2408
01:46:34,620 --> 01:46:32,830
okay but I knew it was they didn't they

2409
01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:34,630
were all magician sit in an audience 300

2410
01:46:38,910 --> 01:46:36,730
people nobody knew what it was so it's

2411
01:46:40,709 --> 01:46:38,920
not like everyone knew and I could just

2412
01:46:43,620 --> 01:46:40,719
guess it you know there's not one thing

2413
01:46:46,860 --> 01:46:43,630
there's lots of things when I saw that

2414
01:46:49,950 --> 01:46:46,870
spirit ended I hadn't seen it because I

2415
01:46:51,780 --> 01:46:49,960
thought no you know I know that cannot

2416
01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:51,790
be you know what I'm talking about doing

2417
01:47:02,780 --> 01:46:56,170
yeah yeah yeah and I thought I just just

2418
01:47:08,610 --> 01:47:06,330
yeah absolutely what the illusion where

2419
01:47:11,370 --> 01:47:08,620
they become bigger and smaller yes yeah

2420
01:47:13,110 --> 01:47:11,380
well when you because of the way they're

2421
01:47:16,020 --> 01:47:13,120
arched it's called the the Jasper

2422
01:47:18,150 --> 01:47:16,030
illusion and because the way they are

2423
01:47:20,790 --> 01:47:18,160
you've got a small arch in the bottom

2424
01:47:22,770 --> 01:47:20,800
and a big arch at the top okay so when

2425
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:22,780
you bring them together they look the

2426
01:47:27,330 --> 01:47:25,210
same size when you pull them back the

2427
01:47:28,950 --> 01:47:27,340
front one looks a lot smaller than the

2428
01:47:31,229 --> 01:47:28,960
back one okay and it's just an optical

2429
01:47:33,390 --> 01:47:31,239
illusion because these curve goes

2430
01:47:35,970 --> 01:47:33,400
against the small curves so yeah so that

2431
01:47:38,250 --> 01:47:35,980
was I'm a magician right I'm Greek and

2432
01:47:40,470 --> 01:47:38,260
I'm a magician so there's two things in

2433
01:47:41,340 --> 01:47:40,480
this film now that are Greek and magic

2434
01:47:43,620 --> 01:47:41,350
okay

2435
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:43,630
if we go further and talk about the

2436
01:47:47,700 --> 01:47:45,850
suits there isn't another suit in the

2437
01:47:50,190 --> 01:47:47,710
world Anna anywhere in the history of

2438
01:47:51,870 --> 01:47:50,200
mankind that you can find to show me

2439
01:47:53,820 --> 01:47:51,880
that is exactly the same as these suits

2440
01:47:56,370 --> 01:47:53,830
because I made them I designed them and

2441
01:47:59,040 --> 01:47:56,380
I made them now no one has been able to

2442
01:48:01,940 --> 01:47:59,050
come up with the same suit nobody has

2443
01:48:05,490 --> 01:48:01,950
been able to explain why the vision of

2444
01:48:07,650 --> 01:48:05,500
the visors are so small you know that

2445
01:48:08,729 --> 01:48:07,660
there's tiny visors on these suits and

2446
01:48:11,220 --> 01:48:08,739
they're supposed to be doing an autopsy

2447
01:48:12,390 --> 01:48:11,230
you can't see out of them well because I

2448
01:48:14,760 --> 01:48:12,400
don't want you to see the person's face

2449
01:48:16,140 --> 01:48:14,770
that's why I made them so small so if I

2450
01:48:17,370 --> 01:48:16,150
made him any bigger you'd see that it's

2451
01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:17,380
you know you'll be able to check

2452
01:48:22,200 --> 01:48:19,690
someone's eyes against a photo with

2453
01:48:22,740 --> 01:48:22,210
Gareth behind the window that problem

2454
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:22,750
actually

2455
01:48:27,180 --> 01:48:24,970
but you realize because I put a mask on

2456
01:48:28,980 --> 01:48:27,190
Gareth a breathing mask behind the

2457
01:48:31,890 --> 01:48:28,990
window doesn't make any sense

2458
01:48:33,750 --> 01:48:31,900
I don't want you to see his face that's

2459
01:48:35,820 --> 01:48:33,760
why he's behind a window why does he

2460
01:48:37,470 --> 01:48:35,830
need any protection at all yes so I'm

2461
01:48:39,900 --> 01:48:37,480
pointing these fact things out now

2462
01:48:42,450 --> 01:48:39,910
because it's I would have thought it

2463
01:48:45,120 --> 01:48:42,460
made it was perfectly obvious but when

2464
01:48:47,610 --> 01:48:45,130
you when you look at the suit it's just

2465
01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:47,620
pure I'll interject there but but you

2466
01:48:52,830 --> 01:48:50,050
have to remember the where everybody's

2467
01:48:56,220 --> 01:48:52,840
eyes were being concentrated on were not

2468
01:48:59,010 --> 01:48:56,230
on the ice slaps or whatever was on the

2469
01:49:01,910 --> 01:48:59,020
attention was taken up so almost so

2470
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:01,920
almost like a I know it's almost like

2471
01:49:06,780 --> 01:49:05,770
unintentional misdirection well you know

2472
01:49:10,050 --> 01:49:06,790
what I mean they were looking at the

2473
01:49:11,400 --> 01:49:10,060
collection on the slab yeah yeah nothing

2474
01:49:13,590 --> 01:49:11,410
was an issue I mean the whole thing was

2475
01:49:15,570 --> 01:49:13,600
a magic trick I know I want to do

2476
01:49:17,130 --> 01:49:15,580
gentleman because we've got about just

2477
01:49:20,850 --> 01:49:17,140
just a little over eight minutes left of

2478
01:49:22,950 --> 01:49:20,860
the show I just wanted to ask about the

2479
01:49:26,160 --> 01:49:22,960
actual autopsy procedure itself there

2480
01:49:28,740 --> 01:49:26,170
yes we're us now Linda Moulton Howe on a

2481
01:49:31,320 --> 01:49:28,750
rare files website indicates that

2482
01:49:32,970 --> 01:49:31,330
medical doctors generally agree that the

2483
01:49:35,310 --> 01:49:32,980
surgery in the Santilli film is

2484
01:49:38,160 --> 01:49:35,320
consistent with that dissection

2485
01:49:39,870 --> 01:49:38,170
procedure on a real body and that the

2486
01:49:41,880 --> 01:49:39,880
losing blood along the cut lands

2487
01:49:45,060 --> 01:49:41,890
indicated the body was either fresh or

2488
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:45,070
had been kept very cold immediately upon

2489
01:49:51,270 --> 01:49:47,770
death what you guys my first comment is

2490
01:49:53,310 --> 01:49:51,280
there are a lot of experts who say this

2491
01:49:55,770 --> 01:49:53,320
isn't correct he's holding the scissors

2492
01:49:58,620 --> 01:49:55,780
the wrong way he's doing this the wrong

2493
01:50:00,810 --> 01:49:58,630
way this isn't correct either right it

2494
01:50:02,190 --> 01:50:00,820
wouldn't be bleeding if it's dead it has

2495
01:50:04,590 --> 01:50:02,200
no blood pressure it wouldn't be

2496
01:50:07,110 --> 01:50:04,600
bleeding when you cut it like that okay

2497
01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:07,120
and the arguments to that were well it's

2498
01:50:11,040 --> 01:50:08,650
an alien what do you know there are as

2499
01:50:13,530 --> 01:50:11,050
many experts saying it's not right I

2500
01:50:16,280 --> 01:50:13,540
would back that up spin-offs I mean I

2501
01:50:19,140 --> 01:50:16,290
spoke to lots of medical people and

2502
01:50:20,190 --> 01:50:19,150
roughly 50 50 some said yeah I don't

2503
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:20,200
look too bad

2504
01:50:23,610 --> 01:50:21,610
the other said the eyes rubbish but

2505
01:50:25,650 --> 01:50:23,620
here's the thing we're not idiots okay

2506
01:50:27,300 --> 01:50:25,660
you know sencity said that you know this

2507
01:50:29,760 --> 01:50:27,310
team was sensational

2508
01:50:31,170 --> 01:50:29,770
I'm gonna take myself out of this out of

2509
01:50:33,750 --> 01:50:31,180
the frame and I'm gonna talk about my

2510
01:50:33,990 --> 01:50:33,760
team they were the best everything they

2511
01:50:36,150 --> 01:50:34,000
did

2512
01:50:36,609 --> 01:50:36,160
now the researcher was my ex-girlfriend

2513
01:50:38,859 --> 01:50:36,619
and she

2514
01:50:41,409 --> 01:50:38,869
searched how an autopsy was done in

2515
01:50:44,649 --> 01:50:41,419
America in the forties she then came

2516
01:50:47,169 --> 01:50:44,659
back and she taught John from textbook

2517
01:50:48,909 --> 01:50:47,179
John being a man of a sculptor who knows

2518
01:50:51,129 --> 01:50:48,919
about Anatomy took to it straight away

2519
01:50:52,979 --> 01:50:51,139
but he made mistakes he made a number of

2520
01:50:56,560 --> 01:50:52,989
mistakes he was he's not a pathologist

2521
01:50:59,259 --> 01:50:56,570
brilliant stroke a genius here was that

2522
01:51:01,689 --> 01:50:59,269
the person that could have done this at

2523
01:51:04,929 --> 01:51:01,699
the time was a surgeon and not a

2524
01:51:07,029 --> 01:51:04,939
pathologist so the excuses of saying

2525
01:51:09,219 --> 01:51:07,039
well you know what this this is actually

2526
01:51:10,629 --> 01:51:09,229
correct it could be correct is because

2527
01:51:12,119 --> 01:51:10,639
it's not well that's why they can only

2528
01:51:14,770 --> 01:51:12,129
say it's common yes then it's it's

2529
01:51:17,169 --> 01:51:14,780
hundred percent perfect because it's not

2530
01:51:18,909 --> 01:51:17,179
a pathologist it says it's a surgeon and

2531
01:51:21,790 --> 01:51:18,919
we can see that a pathologist wouldn't

2532
01:51:23,290 --> 01:51:21,800
be doing it this way okay so that gives

2533
01:51:24,969 --> 01:51:23,300
you a little bit of leeway that gives

2534
01:51:27,639 --> 01:51:24,979
you a little bit of slack to make a

2535
01:51:29,739 --> 01:51:27,649
couple of mistakes and also human nature

2536
01:51:31,209 --> 01:51:29,749
you know your your autopsy can aliens so

2537
01:51:32,919 --> 01:51:31,219
you're a little bit nervous you're being

2538
01:51:35,080 --> 01:51:32,929
filmed you're a little bit you know

2539
01:51:37,679 --> 01:51:35,090
come on this it's this the guy's not not

2540
01:51:43,989 --> 01:51:37,689
dissecting an alien every day easy so

2541
01:51:46,839 --> 01:51:43,999
yeah Moulton Howe iPhone I emailed her

2542
01:51:49,299 --> 01:51:46,849
last time she spoke to Colin Wolford and

2543
01:51:51,159 --> 01:51:49,309
they did a show about how the talking

2544
01:51:53,649 --> 01:51:51,169
about Wolfers take on it and how it's

2545
01:51:55,869 --> 01:51:53,659
real and I said I'm Spiros malarious I

2546
01:51:58,209 --> 01:51:55,879
made the film I'm happy to do an

2547
01:52:01,270 --> 01:51:58,219
interview for with you for free if you

2548
01:52:02,799 --> 01:52:01,280
want to cross-examine me on air and I

2549
01:52:05,020 --> 01:52:02,809
can answer any questions that you might

2550
01:52:08,529 --> 01:52:05,030
have I said because you're wrong and she

2551
01:52:10,179 --> 01:52:08,539
didn't even reply then that's your

2552
01:52:12,580 --> 01:52:10,189
experience then the next thing I see is

2553
01:52:15,790 --> 01:52:12,590
that she's can you explain this to me

2554
01:52:19,179 --> 01:52:15,800
she's done a show and she said that it's

2555
01:52:22,619 --> 01:52:19,189
real based on the CIA papers and she's

2556
01:52:26,259 --> 01:52:22,629
put my photos on there with her name

2557
01:52:28,270 --> 01:52:26,269
copyright tonight 2019 and you please

2558
01:52:32,049 --> 01:52:28,280
explain to me how that pictures become

2559
01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:32,059
oh I know I know I what I was but also

2560
01:52:37,929 --> 01:52:34,610
now knew as soon as I saw that audio

2561
01:52:40,389 --> 01:52:37,939
that's all I shall say is that I have

2562
01:52:40,839 --> 01:52:40,399
known people lose the homes of copyright

2563
01:52:45,069 --> 01:52:40,849
issues

2564
01:52:48,310 --> 01:52:45,079
yeah and just before we sorry position

2565
01:52:50,170 --> 01:52:48,320
repercussions for sure if just to take

2566
01:52:52,630 --> 01:52:50,180
one step further if she

2567
01:52:54,820 --> 01:52:52,640
believes that copyright with her name on

2568
01:52:57,160 --> 01:52:54,830
it is legit how can she say it's real

2569
01:52:59,140 --> 01:52:57,170
when shouldn't own it the US military

2570
01:53:01,510 --> 01:52:59,150
must own it or the US doesn't my Sonia

2571
01:53:03,400 --> 01:53:01,520
how can she stick her name on a an

2572
01:53:06,730 --> 01:53:03,410
ancient photograph from the forties

2573
01:53:08,170 --> 01:53:06,740
right and claim it as her copyright she

2574
01:53:10,570 --> 01:53:08,180
hasn't done living to it other than just

2575
01:53:12,670 --> 01:53:10,580
copy it absolutely now Phil I don't know

2576
01:53:15,430 --> 01:53:12,680
and we've literally got minutes left now

2577
01:53:17,980 --> 01:53:15,440
and I do know that you did say he was

2578
01:53:20,380 --> 01:53:17,990
going to contact LMH about all this

2579
01:53:22,810 --> 01:53:20,390
footage indeed this stuff have you seen

2580
01:53:26,140 --> 01:53:22,820
it yeah yeah I mean the number of people

2581
01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:26,150
commenting on it and I was unfortunate

2582
01:53:32,890 --> 01:53:29,810
enough to watch Linda Moulton Howes one

2583
01:53:34,840 --> 01:53:32,900
one and a half hour plus YouTube chat

2584
01:53:37,750 --> 01:53:34,850
about it and again I've made myself

2585
01:53:40,450 --> 01:53:37,760
available I don't know how you could

2586
01:53:42,940 --> 01:53:40,460
rephrase it any better to to discuss and

2587
01:53:45,250 --> 01:53:42,950
debate this with a number of people that

2588
01:53:50,280 --> 01:53:45,260
includes Linda Moulton Howe not and not

2589
01:53:57,700 --> 01:53:54,130
you know I basically she has just sat

2590
01:53:59,890 --> 01:53:57,710
there reading stuff back from 1995 is

2591
01:54:01,510 --> 01:53:59,900
just reading the hour I was

2592
01:54:03,910 --> 01:54:01,520
flabbergasted I shouldn't have been

2593
01:54:06,160 --> 01:54:03,920
because I know Linda quite well I saw I

2594
01:54:08,230 --> 01:54:06,170
said right away I'll gladly I can't

2595
01:54:09,960 --> 01:54:08,240
speak for Speros but else's he's old man

2596
01:54:12,910 --> 01:54:09,970
you know but I said I would make myself

2597
01:54:15,220 --> 01:54:12,920
available to debate that and and it's a

2598
01:54:17,500 --> 01:54:15,230
hundred percent wrong but I of anyone

2599
01:54:19,300 --> 01:54:17,510
because my reputation was on the line

2600
01:54:21,130 --> 01:54:19,310
when I was investigating the alien

2601
01:54:24,340 --> 01:54:21,140
autopsy film if there was anyone that

2602
01:54:26,350 --> 01:54:24,350
was gonna say it was real it would be me

2603
01:54:29,590 --> 01:54:26,360
because I probably had more to lose than

2604
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:29,600
anyone else and the reason I stuck at it

2605
01:54:33,970 --> 01:54:31,370
so long is it because it came became

2606
01:54:37,270 --> 01:54:33,980
personal I was even accused of being it

2607
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:37,280
sound till his accomplice you know and

2608
01:54:42,340 --> 01:54:40,010
at the time spiros mark my my ex-wife

2609
01:54:44,380 --> 01:54:42,350
Sue and I were having a an extension

2610
01:54:45,880 --> 01:54:44,390
built on our house yeah and it was

2611
01:54:48,220 --> 01:54:45,890
accused that that money was from

2612
01:54:49,600 --> 01:54:48,230
Santilli because they said they said

2613
01:54:51,640 --> 01:54:49,610
where did man we'll get that money from

2614
01:54:55,090 --> 01:54:51,650
he doesn't have it they were right I

2615
01:54:57,850 --> 01:54:55,100
didn't my wife did she she'd had her own

2616
01:55:00,550 --> 01:54:57,860
property which she sold and we use part

2617
01:55:02,260 --> 01:55:00,560
of the funds to build an extension but

2618
01:55:03,580 --> 01:55:02,270
you see how it worked so it got personal

2619
01:55:05,380 --> 01:55:03,590
for me

2620
01:55:06,820 --> 01:55:05,390
otherwise I could have done like

2621
01:55:08,020 --> 01:55:06,830
everybody else don't say well I've got

2622
01:55:10,150 --> 01:55:08,030
it out into the open

2623
01:55:12,670 --> 01:55:10,160
that's my hands washed a bit you know

2624
01:55:14,920 --> 01:55:12,680
but I didn't and I remember sitting in

2625
01:55:17,050 --> 01:55:14,930
sitting there having lunch in the

2626
01:55:19,150 --> 01:55:17,060
Chinese restaurant with Santilli yeah

2627
01:55:21,640 --> 01:55:19,160
and I looked him in the face with a

2628
01:55:23,410 --> 01:55:21,650
tiger beer in my hand and I said I'll

2629
01:55:25,510 --> 01:55:23,420
get to the bottom of this film no matter

2630
01:55:27,820 --> 01:55:25,520
how long it takes he just said that's

2631
01:55:31,180 --> 01:55:27,830
fine Phillippi he wasn't first it took

2632
01:55:34,210 --> 01:55:31,190
me a long time but when the day came

2633
01:55:37,450 --> 01:55:34,220
when you first rang Russell Callaghan

2634
01:55:40,320 --> 01:55:37,460
not me yeah past your name on to me as

2635
01:55:42,910 --> 01:55:40,330
soon as Ernest other name Spiros I

2636
01:55:45,010 --> 01:55:42,920
thought that's him because we already

2637
01:55:47,590 --> 01:55:45,020
had that name and as soon as I started

2638
01:55:48,250 --> 01:55:47,600
talking to you you just filling in all

2639
01:55:50,680 --> 01:55:48,260
the blanks

2640
01:55:53,680 --> 01:55:50,690
is it a truthfully Michael hesselman

2641
01:55:58,180 --> 01:55:53,690
also called me it late ninety five six

2642
01:56:00,370 --> 01:55:58,190
ninety six yeah he didn't tell you when

2643
01:56:02,590 --> 01:56:00,380
we were at that conference and I heard

2644
01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:02,600
his voice I said I know this man he

2645
01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:05,690
phoned me you asked him and he said oh

2646
01:56:10,270 --> 01:56:08,810
yes he did but so my name was in the mix

2647
01:56:13,720 --> 01:56:10,280
with peasant with hesselman

2648
01:56:15,610 --> 01:56:13,730
also in 1996 and Michael didn't tell me

2649
01:56:17,350 --> 01:56:15,620
and we fell out over that right never

2650
01:56:19,390 --> 01:56:17,360
ask you another question we've discussed

2651
01:56:22,120 --> 01:56:19,400
it before right when you were in my

2652
01:56:24,160 --> 01:56:22,130
house I showed you my paintings and

2653
01:56:28,870 --> 01:56:24,170
storyboards and various bits and pieces

2654
01:56:31,420 --> 01:56:28,880
yes and we have photos of the us and me

2655
01:56:33,400 --> 01:56:31,430
with my paintings back in the day when

2656
01:56:36,490 --> 01:56:33,410
you came for to interview me there is a

2657
01:56:39,370 --> 01:56:36,500
photo which was given a sketch which was

2658
01:56:42,520 --> 01:56:39,380
given by me to Santilli and subsequently

2659
01:56:44,590 --> 01:56:42,530
given to Michael hesselman and Mike Rowe

2660
01:56:46,450 --> 01:56:44,600
Esmond gave it to a girl called Agnes

2661
01:56:48,880 --> 01:56:46,460
Scott Kasich a nameless I've got a nicer

2662
01:56:51,670 --> 01:56:48,890
name and she coloured it in and signed

2663
01:56:53,320 --> 01:56:51,680
it as if she did it now nice made this

2664
01:56:56,350 --> 01:56:53,330
comment and I said this is my painting

2665
01:56:57,970 --> 01:56:56,360
who who gave it to him to put in and he

2666
01:56:59,740 --> 01:56:57,980
said it's not your painting I got it

2667
01:57:00,940 --> 01:56:59,750
from the cameraman so until he gave it

2668
01:57:03,520 --> 01:57:00,950
to me well I'm the cameraman

2669
01:57:06,970 --> 01:57:03,530
but since doublespeak doublespeak again

2670
01:57:09,730 --> 01:57:06,980
right because the cameraman is actually

2671
01:57:14,260 --> 01:57:09,740
not a lie right yeah yeah but hesseman

2672
01:57:16,799 --> 01:57:14,270
thinking 1947 and reality is me so after

2673
01:57:19,379 --> 01:57:16,809
all this time I've had to put

2674
01:57:21,720 --> 01:57:19,389
it's not you know Colleen Wolford is

2675
01:57:23,760 --> 01:57:21,730
saying old Spiros can't draw he can't

2676
01:57:27,060 --> 01:57:23,770
paint is look at the sketch of the alien

2677
01:57:30,060 --> 01:57:27,070
what did that in on a napkin in a with

2678
01:57:32,100 --> 01:57:30,070
the greatest risk disrespect to Collin

2679
01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:32,110
Wolford he's not been in your house yeah

2680
01:57:37,799 --> 01:57:34,570
and when I visited your house on that

2681
01:57:39,899 --> 01:57:37,809
occasion you also had other non alien

2682
01:57:41,939 --> 01:57:39,909
autopsy paintings that were your work

2683
01:57:43,919 --> 01:57:41,949
framed and hanging on the walls

2684
01:57:45,479 --> 01:57:43,929
yeah well I'm doing on my electrical an

2685
01:57:47,790 --> 01:57:45,489
art exhibition with two other artists

2686
01:57:50,609 --> 01:57:47,800
coming up in London I'll invite you both

2687
01:57:52,200 --> 01:57:50,619
but but yeah it's those disputes whether

2688
01:57:53,970 --> 01:57:52,210
or not I'm an artist or not there's no

2689
01:57:55,890 --> 01:57:53,980
there can't be any dispute Colin water

2690
01:57:57,479 --> 01:57:55,900
doesn't know me but he he looks at the

2691
01:57:59,640 --> 01:57:57,489
sketch you know the one sketch I gave

2692
01:58:01,589 --> 01:57:59,650
you copies of this original sketch when

2693
01:58:03,810 --> 01:58:01,599
John and I sat in in for Brit sees and

2694
01:58:05,310 --> 01:58:03,820
and and started talking what about what

2695
01:58:06,990 --> 01:58:05,320
its gonna look like yeah we just did a

2696
01:58:08,399 --> 01:58:07,000
very very rough you know wasn't a

2697
01:58:10,229 --> 01:58:08,409
drawing it was just like an outline

2698
01:58:11,669 --> 01:58:10,239
sketch and that's what would John work

2699
01:58:12,959 --> 01:58:11,679
from and he said well look at that

2700
01:58:15,089 --> 01:58:12,969
that's a really blessed really out

2701
01:58:17,069 --> 01:58:15,099
amateurish how can this man painted

2702
01:58:19,049 --> 01:58:17,079
these paintings right well that's his

2703
01:58:21,660 --> 01:58:19,059
call you can they say we liked but the

2704
01:58:24,209 --> 01:58:21,670
reality is this several paintings were

2705
01:58:26,729 --> 01:58:24,219
in my possession my signature on them in

2706
01:58:29,399 --> 01:58:26,739
my house with you there you know that

2707
01:58:31,319 --> 01:58:29,409
photo exists they the style of the

2708
01:58:33,660 --> 01:58:31,329
drawing and the paintings are the same

2709
01:58:35,520 --> 01:58:33,670
as the one that hesselman got from sin

2710
01:58:37,799 --> 01:58:35,530
Tilly and that's that's that's on the

2711
01:58:39,870 --> 01:58:37,809
record isn't it can't be Oh No right

2712
01:58:41,790 --> 01:58:39,880
gentlemen I'm gonna jump in there

2713
01:58:43,830 --> 01:58:41,800
because we've just got out with time a

2714
01:58:47,609 --> 01:58:43,840
little bit so I'm gonna stop us there

2715
01:58:49,410 --> 01:58:47,619
and quick short answer as possible if

2716
01:58:52,080 --> 01:58:49,420
you can yes for us when is your book

2717
01:58:56,669 --> 01:58:52,090
coming out we all want to see very very

2718
01:58:59,010 --> 01:58:56,679
very movie I want to bring the two

2719
01:59:00,600 --> 01:58:59,020
together I've got a load of photos I

2720
01:59:02,069 --> 01:59:00,610
didn't know I had I'm including which

2721
01:59:03,810 --> 01:59:02,079
will put this to bed but I can't release

2722
01:59:06,990 --> 01:59:03,820
just yet what's this base okay that's

2723
01:59:09,359 --> 01:59:07,000
brilliant spear us on behalf of inside

2724
01:59:11,729 --> 01:59:09,369
our limits radio show myself Chris Evers

2725
01:59:14,010 --> 01:59:11,739
and my co-host I'm sure he'd like to

2726
01:59:16,529 --> 01:59:14,020
mention his name yeah Phillip mantel yes

2727
01:59:21,049 --> 01:59:16,539
Phillip mountain I can still remember my

2728
01:59:24,540 --> 01:59:21,059
name royalty mate you should be able to

2729
01:59:26,490 --> 01:59:24,550
there you go listen spear us thank you

2730
01:59:29,490 --> 01:59:26,500
very very much I hope it's answered some

2731
01:59:30,270 --> 01:59:29,500
people's questions and let's see who

2732
01:59:32,129 --> 01:59:30,280
else is going

2733
01:59:34,290 --> 01:59:32,139
but you know with all the intrigue

2734
01:59:37,080 --> 01:59:34,300
intrigues Orient rogue that's a new word

2735
01:59:39,930 --> 01:59:37,090
I've just invented of all the intrigue

2736
01:59:42,180 --> 01:59:39,940
and authenticity or the fakery of the

2737
01:59:44,459 --> 01:59:42,190
film coming into question again

2738
01:59:45,419 --> 01:59:44,469
you know names of people who still could

2739
01:59:47,490 --> 01:59:45,429
bring up the truth

2740
01:59:49,410 --> 01:59:47,500
you know the some of these guys need to

2741
01:59:52,109 --> 01:59:49,420
come forward as well and this is why you

2742
01:59:54,120 --> 01:59:52,119
follow Jesus Eva pitch and really for

2743
01:59:56,399 --> 01:59:54,130
good reason you know we've never been so

2744
01:59:58,410 --> 01:59:56,409
close or I don't think to actually found